Author Topic: How to fall, why we fall, and getting back up.(Updated [July/02/2018] V2.6)  (Read 14288 times)

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Index (Use Ctrl+F to navigate):
1. Introduction
2. Videos- 2a. Parkour, 2b. Ukemi, 2c. Misc.
3. Photos
4. Links for internal resources/threads
5. Links for external resources/forums
6. Inspirational quotes & proverbs
7. Version history & Update log
8. Contact



1. Introduction:
"Anything worth doing, is worth doing well."

-Insert Standard Disclaimer Here- As in: I am not a doctor, or a certified, qualified, professional blah blah blah. Use this information at your own risk, I do not assume any liability for any damages or injury which might incur. (Which is what this information should be preventing anyways...)

I am going to compile all of the most "useful" videos, links, images, and etc. I know and can find on falling. Post if you have more or think of good ones, but PLEASE do not argue the validity of who and what, or spam in this thread, arguing is not what this thread is for.
If I missed some online information it might be because: It was redundant & repetitious, that personally I did not feel that it was useful, or that I could not find, remember, or did not know about it, so please share.
I tried to keep it basically in a specific order from difficulty or usefulness, for example; there is no sense in listing a 360 dive roll first, if I have not listed a basic roll video.

Also note that there are many different ways to roll and fall, and I can not say which is right or which is not, because it is all about the situation.
But there are some basic trends you will see, such as: right shoulder to left hip, or left to right. And do NOT roll over your head/neck (a.k.a. gymnastics rolls).
Again, I personally believe that it is all about the situation and your instinct(s).

There are two basic theories on rolling; there is inside the ball, and outside the ball.
Inside the ball; you tuck and keep your body close together, like if you were a ball.
Outside the ball; you expand your body by holding an invisible ball, to go outside or over the ball.

Remember though; What works in a dojo does not always work in the street, what works on a mat or grass may not work on concrete.

Finally, I am just trying to help everyone be safe, and keep on rollin' along. But AFTER reading, watching, and looking at everything you can in this topic, if you are having pain or are still unsure about something, please ask in this thread or in the forums, and we will see if we can help you!
I will say this now though, because it comes up A LOT:
THERE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN AT ALL DURING OR AFTER A ROLL.
"However, due to unique body structuring some people may feel discomfort on certain bony parts of the back or hip.
Although a good roll will usually minimize this.
The goal of your rolls should be to make your motion efficient, effective, and fluid by: dispersing as much force as is necessary to reduce injuries, and translating these forward and downward forces into manageable forward momentum"


So, without further adieu.

2. Videos:
2a. Parkour:
If someone knows what this video was go to my contact info and tell me, I cannot access the video or remember, if it was the very first one it was probably important...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpFM3t-OIzo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpFM3t-OIzo</a>

David Belle Roll Analysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rekmYbFRbK0
http://www.pkcali.com/download.php?view.8

Ryan Doyle Tutorial:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPd29MlHpg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPd29MlHpg</a>

Urban Current, Rolls Tutorial by Ozzi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tJAyNxig_A

3RUN, Parkour Roll tutorial by Sam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wT4uxcQWXI

Anomaly Freerunning, PK Parkour Safety Roll, the Judo Roll, Shoulder Roll by Justin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrabL28CS6w

Submissions101, Ukemi - The Forward Roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W93w6aw26Ls
 
Backwards roll:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJlWDh9_TU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJlWDh9_TU</a>

Urban Current, Advanced Roll Tutorial:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6I1J0zmE7U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6I1J0zmE7U</a>

APK, Advanced Roll Tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0e7akuSgKI

Team Ukemi: Advanced Rolls, and variants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OnrS3awx4Q&context=C3a6f1c0ADOEgsToPDskIt36pUdx1DQbIb1LKic45L

APK, Rolls Analysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgakIoDcxEo&list=PL3820DD536B0E7931&index=5&feature=plpp_video

Epic, Dive roll progression:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW04kMTL2FM

Martial Art and Ninja Camp; California and Thailand, Ninjitsu Martial Arts Diving Roll by Rick Tew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ-kvV5hZls

Epic, 360 Dive roll:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC7WN109G8I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC7WN109G8I</a>


2b. Ukemi:
(A quick note about Ukemi, DO NOT SLAP THE GROUND, yes it works with mats, but it might break your hand on concrete.)

Parkour Visions, Ukemi - The Art of Falling Adapted to Parkour (25 minutes):
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClkgkKG-TQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClkgkKG-TQ</a>

AikikaiAikido, Ukemi - Meeting the Mat by Sensei Donovan Waite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OaicleoK4M

Reishin Dojo, Ukemi by Sensei Merea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4GLiyPZz0

Yoshinkan Aikido, Ukemi, by ws131064:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22BL4ierNJA

Myanmar Aikido, Ukemi practice by nsmmt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpBpM38TMg

Aikido Auckland, Ukemi breakfall demonstration by Dunken Francis (Aiki33)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exXrHO1IzgE

AikikaiAikido, Aikido Ukemi: Ushiro Otoshi (Back Fall) by Donovan Waite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogDN0ZghdQs

Core training for Ukemi:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxkOHw0PKjk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxkOHw0PKjk</a>

(This is some of Bujinkan's Taihen jutsu/Junan Taiso, or in english, body conditioning & ukemi.
Edit:I am not sure I can put this here, the song says f#ck <which is now censored V but this is not.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnohUdXSzsM&list=UUwrjLvW1z83X8-P2MaBu69g&index=5&feature=plcp

2c. Misc.:
Fight Science, Maximum height & Distance, with Ryan Doyle & Daniel Ilabaca.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBNaiNnNRfU

Buster Keaton's Forwards & Backwards Rolls (OLD SCHOOL):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyJmKjLr4sM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V86ODBSXtZs

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7Xli1jV1Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7Xli1jV1Y</a>
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



3. Photos:


See the foot here in the image below, small image sorry, but you can barely see the red circle around the foot. That is being a "dead fish", ctrl+F foot/lower leg impact("Dead fish") and read up, that can mess your foot up REALLY badly or shatter it, don't do it.









4. Links for internal resources/threads:
Roll Pain (#1 Page for questions.)
Establishing a Foundation: The Roll.
Roll: Dive roll
David Belle's Bail and his message(Link to David Belle's bail video)
choose not to fall (Link to Daniel Ilabaca's video)
Why we should train to take falls
Why do we fall?
Fear of.....falling?
Another Roll Thread-(M2. discussion thread)
Tutorials by Matthewleewillis(Page 2 link from M2. More from M2.)
The Fall Debate
Another thread on falling, training with emotion and the importance of rolls.
Bails - Falls
Learn from my mistakes
How I learned to roll on concrete
Learn the Goddamn Roll - The Scariest Experience of my Trainings so far
rolling side
Rolling Training Tool (From team Ukemi's video)
What should a roll feel like?
Shoulder Roll Point
rolling: moving up to concrete
Landing/Rolling on off-camber slopes?
Maximum drop-roll heights?
Landing height.
Working out the kinks on a roll
better rolls (using snow)
Test your roll (using mud/water/brick/dirt/sand/gravel/swingsets/PAIN!?)
Perfecting the Roll
Dive roll(3 page discussion)
The diving roll
Awesome Dive roll training technique!(Diving over sticks and suspended objects)
Rolls - Keeping Momentum
Landing to roll or just roll?
bad rolling
rolling problem(Lead arm/hand support)
A very small roll question(Hitting top of shoulder)
Roll Shoulder Pain
Identifying spine problem in rolls (Discomfort vs. Pain)
My lower back during rolls
Hitting my knee on the ground when rolling. Help?
foot/lower leg impact("Dead fish")
Roll Help

rolling technique (or, "Why you should NOT do a gymnastics roll")

Frontflip to roll help(...)



5. Links for external resources/forums:
http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/stretching_1.html

http://forum.3run.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=484

http://www.akban.org/wiki/index.php/Forward_break_fall,_Mae_ukemi_-_Ninjutsu

http://chasemillis.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Parcour-athletic-roll

http://parkour.wikia.com/wiki/Parkour_Wiki

6. Inspirational quotes & proverbs:
Fall Down Seven Times, Get Up Eight -Japanese proverb
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall." - Confucius
"The best part of falling down is getting back up again" -David Belle
"If you're afraid to fall, you'll fall because you're afraid."-Daniel Ilabaca
"It is very important that we teach you how to fall before we teach you how to fly." -Ryan Doyle
‎"Life will knock us down, but we can choose to get back up." - The Karate Kid
"Just do it" -Nike
"Failure is not falling down, but refusing to get back up." - Deamsian Wisdom
"If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else." -Yogi Berra



7. Version history & Update log:
First post: V1.0 [Feb/29/2012] That took a surprisingly long time, and yes I have watched the...majority...of these videos multiple times, and this is all for now.
I will upload images I have in stock from other websites and places later, as I do not have an online photo archive to do so right now.
Edit: I just remembered Buster Keaton, this man was AMAZING, he did Parkour & Free-running back in the day, before David Belle was even born, and he did not even know he was doing it.

Edit: V1.5 [March/02/2012] Changed title, edited & added some information to correlate with the name change, and added new Ukemi Videos.
Re-edit: Added the "Great seminar from Amos Rendao of Apex movement" video, posted by user: Rafe. Named the Links section, and added a photos section, still have to collect more stock images, and get them uploaded, this one might take some time to actually do.

Edit: V1.9 [March/05/2012] Remembered a couple of proverbs and inspirational quotes, not necessary but nice. Added internal links to useful APK threads. Re-named it again (I am trying to remain on topic though...)

Edit: V2.0 [March/06/2012] Added new videos. Finished adding links for internal resources, this saves users from having to search by already showing the most useful pages, I will eventually edit some of them out, and re-organize them by type/usefulness. I created an index at the beginning, and add numbered sections for using Ctrl+F, to make navigation easier. I might join other forums to search for more info on falling/rolling, I am not sure though... This should be it for a while, bumping to announce version 2.0.

Edit: V2.1 [March/07/2012] After some feedback I am adding details for some videos, but not encoding them to play right away, just having a link, what I think are the most useful videos are still encoded to play. Trimming the fat so to speak. This still needs a lot more work such as; external links, photos, and more baby Gorillas ;D, so feedback is always appreciated.

Edit: V2.1.2 [March/21/2012] Added a few of links. Edited the videos section more. I remembered I already have a photobucket account, so I am going to upload a few photos soon. Not much done, sleep now...

Edit: V2.5 [April/19/2012] It has been a while, I am ready to edit again. Continued cleaning the videos up, reviewed and removed a few links, added photos, looking for more videos to add soon.

Edit: V2.6 [July/02/2018] It has been a long long while "why an edit after this long!?" you ask. Because I can I guess?
Nothing major was changed. Added the word ON to "it may not work concrete" because of having a random missed word is an OCD itch that needs to be scratched.
Asked if anyone knows what the video which is linked first was or can figure it out from the /watch?v=tpFM3t-OIzo url, because I think it is restricted now that youtube is weird this many years later or user restricted or something.
Added info by a picture about your foot being a "dead fish". It is something that now that i'm older I think is another important thing that I should have added more info about if I didn't. I accidentally do it once in a while myself and scold myself when I do, i've never been injured there from doing it, but it is a bad habit and will ruin your flow, you should have a live fish/foot and be able to jump off the toes of your rear leg after your roll basically ends.
I could add and edit more, but I think this is still a pretty solid guide and I don't want to do what George Lucas did to his original Star Wars trilogy.

8. Contact:
You can contact me through:
APK- using my name, Undeclared Winner
E-mail- Toomanyhackersmessingwithstuff@hotmail.com
Youtube- http://www.youtube.com/user/TheUndeclaredWinner
« Last Edit: July 02, 2018, 12:26:54 AM by UWin »

Offline Stephen

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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 11:07:07 AM »
I found this very informative.
Beginners or people having difficulty with the roll should definitely check this out.  +1

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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 12:46:01 PM »
How did you miss this one. Great seminar from Amos Rendao of Apex movement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClkgkKG-TQ
I shall not fear, fear is the mind killer the little death that precedes total obliteration

I will face my fear, I will let it pass over and through me and were it is gone, I will turn the inner eye and see its path, and only I will remain.

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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 04:07:11 PM »
Nice work, thanks!!! And yeah, Amos' stuff is great, he is very well versed in safety falling!!
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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 06:46:37 PM »
I too live in an apartment, but I have a 1yr girl who I have to watch all of the time and what have you. If you ever need help with training or whatever... PM me and hopefully I can lend you a hand or an ear or a link to aid you in your progression.


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« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 05:07:18 AM by Shamas »
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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 08:42:55 PM »
dude ive been working on that 360 dive roll for weeks i just cant get it clean, i will though lol
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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 08:52:21 PM »
dude ive been working on that 360 dive roll for weeks i just cant get it clean, i will though lol

yeah, I plan on nailing the kip up and the 360 dive roll within 2 weeks. That is my goal. I will be training to meet said goal. Good luck to us both, m8
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Re: How to fall.
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 09:23:10 PM »
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I have to say I disagree with one part:

THERE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN AT ALL DURING OR AFTER A ROLL.

Invariably people have different body types, and people will have different parts sticking out in different places, and for some thinner people SOME pain may be unavoidable even if they are rolling as correctly as possible. So, I feel your statement is a bit black and white, when there is always a touch of gray :)

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I have to say I disagree with one part:

THERE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN AT ALL DURING OR AFTER A ROLL.

Invariably people have different body types, and people will have different parts sticking out in different places, and for some thinner people SOME pain may be unavoidable even if they are rolling as correctly as possible. So, I feel your statement is a bit black and white, when there is always a touch of gray :)

It should be something along the lines of "There should be as little pain as physically possible during the roll."

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I have to say I disagree with one part:

THERE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN AT ALL DURING OR AFTER A ROLL.

Invariably people have different body types, and people will have different parts sticking out in different places, and for some thinner people SOME pain may be unavoidable even if they are rolling as correctly as possible. So, I feel your statement is a bit black and white, when there is always a touch of gray :)


PUT ON SOME MUSCLE THEN! ;D
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I would say something like "due to body structure some people may feel discomfort or pain on certain bony parts of the back or hip, a good roll will usually but not always minimize this, the goal of your rolls should be to be as effective as possible - absorbing as much momentum as necessary, and as fluid as possible, translating your forward and downward force to manageable forward momentum"

I'm sure if people knock those words around a bit they can come up with something better :)
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Sounds great! Jobs are overrated :P
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This topic is very important :P

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Great stuff.  Keep it up!

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Helpful stuff.
I thought my roll was good but there was one part I was missing.
The ending-out stance (Rolling side leg over other leg in a figure 4).

Thank you, rolling topic.

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Holy cow, nearly 4 years later, this post is great
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"Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 60 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic."
I posted here 2 years ago after 4 years, give or take some months, and no one complained.
Not sure if this forum is all that alive anymore, or if this thread will ever really be noticed or used, but it and the apk domain still exists, soo...

Just editing a few things.
There's a missing word on my joke about concrete.
I really, really want to figure out or remember what that very first video WAS, since if I put it very first, there is probably a good reason for it.
Maybe add somewhere more info about "foot/lower leg impact("Dead fish")" where your rear foot is flat on the ground instead of you coming up on your toes at the end.
Then check over about editing anything else. Nothing major. Still seems fully informative.

P.S. Still, still alive.