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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: A to B
« on: March 19, 2006, 01:28:23 PM »
A - B is a bad analogy, going from where you are to where you want to be communicates intent but doesn't define specific points.

You don't need to be chased by someone to be doing parkour, or trying to get somewhere specific. It's moving as if in an emergency situation, not moving in an emergency situation. ;)

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Freerun Energy
« on: March 02, 2006, 08:40:35 AM »
Um, something to make you got a more extreme reaction on UF than you did on .net!  ;D :o ;D

Oh, and here's how we do children's TV over in the UK:

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Will you do Parkour for life?
« on: February 14, 2006, 07:10:47 AM »
Button's gameplan:

continue training to be an architect
(9 years later)
finish training to be an architect
design awesome buildings
make sure they have lots of disabled access ramps & landscaped courtyards ;)
make traceurs happy
make enough money to build myself a house.
fill one floor with scaffolding poles at random angles & lengths.
retire happy.

I wouldn't really want to make parkour my profession as it's something I use to escape from the 'real world'. Also, I'm fairly lucky in that I potentially have one of the most interesting and varied careers in the planet ahead of me, and wouldn't stop doing it for the world  ;D

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Freerun Energy
« on: February 14, 2006, 06:41:30 AM »
haha, yeah I was. Fair enough then :)

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Is Freerunning Different than Parkour?
« on: February 13, 2006, 05:23:33 PM »
Deft, that's just earned you +19 karma. Nice one for being mature about it.  ;D

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Is Freerunning Different than Parkour?
« on: February 13, 2006, 02:55:52 PM »
STrue, everyone can do their own thing but I want my actions to have a philosophy and to not be without meaning. If I just "did my own thing" as button puts it then I am only doing random nonsense. I am doing a modified version of parkour called either Freestyle Parkour or Freerunning. I choose the first. I see a lot of people doing this and call it goofing off. I take my actions seriously and I take my training seriously. There is a category for it and that is what I do. I will never just pass it off as nonsense.

I never said that adding flips and parkour movements together was nonsense, and I didn't imply you didn't take it seriously. Re-read what I said. My point was that some people can simply accept parkour & acrobatics are two seperate things, but some people have trouble accepting this and need a blanket name for what they do.

I only point out Freestyle movement amongst "purists" not to point fingers but to show that they are doing exactly what they tell me is wrong and then say "that I don't know what pk is."  I am pointing out those instances to show you we train, play, practise, and all that the same but that you refuse to accept that when you flip in your run that it is not part of this modified parkour. Every time people flip and spin on a pk run they are fueling this modified parkour. Yes, I admit it is not the original pk created by Belle but Everyone who has ever done a flip or spin mid-run has a hand a creating this modified parkour. It's just that I choose to accept this change where as most people do it but not accept it and I can not sit back and just watch that occur without commenting on it

See, the thing is, there's no doubt about that someones taken parkour as an inspiration and used it to create something else - but it's not 'modified parkour'. It's taking parkour movements and adding something else to them, it's not taking parkour and adding something. This is why I object to the name 'freestle parkour', and why many people will tell you you don't understand parkour, because the term 'freestyle' is based upon a defintion via the physical movements, but parkour is defined by intent, not moves. It's defined by a certain intent, and you can't have 'freestyle movement within the mindset of escaping or reaching' really, can you?

So, I think it's fair enough if people want to take common parkour movements and add inefficient movements to them to create something else, but you can't take parkour and add inefficient stuff to it, because it's no longer parkour in any form.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Is Freerunning Different than Parkour?
« on: February 13, 2006, 12:49:09 PM »
This is off topic, but I feel I have to say this - Deft, I find it really annoying that you say other people are 'closet freestylers' or whatever term you use. Fair enough you don't understand parkour enough to understand it's impossible to have a freestyle parkour, but why bring others down to your level? Perhaps they're just smart enough to realise they can do their own thing, without needing a name for it to give themselves 'validation'. Does it not occur to you that maybe you have -28 karma because you assume stuff about people you don't know, and tar them with the same brush as yourself?

EDIT: skipper & m2 posted while I was typing. my points still hold true though. & scroll to the bottom for my thoughts on 'evolved parkour' and why spins & shit are fundamental change in the nature of the art, and why such a change cannot be instigated by newbies such as you, me, bach, skipper, m2, etc...

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Freerun Energy
« on: February 12, 2006, 03:45:55 PM »
haha, although I really would work on your climbups, they dont seem to be as fast as the rest of your stuff  ;)

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Freerun Energy
« on: February 11, 2006, 03:23:10 PM »
Lol, even without the backing of the community you've still got the relevant copyright laws and 'defermation of character' to back you up. Hope you win, remember to 'stick it to the man' while you do! It's pretty much an open-and-shut case (objectively) from where I''m standing.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Banner needed for new website
« on: February 09, 2006, 05:32:32 AM »
The whole skyline thing's been done to death in my opinion...why not go for something a little more personal/unique? If you meant you'd like it to look professional though, you'll need programs like Photoshop and/or Illustrator.

What colours are you looking for, what size, why does the site exist, what purpose does it fulfil, what's the demographic (target audience) etc - without information like that it's pretty hard just to come up with anything out the blue...

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Humbleness
« on: February 04, 2006, 05:51:07 PM »
Agreed, humbleness & also respect for those who created the art are two qualities very much missing from the scene. Just had a 3 hour msn conversation with a guy who runs, to try and help him understand a little more about parkour, about the history of it, and about the difference between parkour, freerunning, trick etc, so he could improve the 'history' and 'what is parkour' sections of his site.

All I got in return was 'f**k you man, you're a f**king robot who can't think for himself', 'f**k this father crap' (in response to pointing out Raymond Belle taught David, who showed it to Sebatien later), 'i can answer you but ur just an annoying one sided prick', 'i never met sum1 so f#cking rude befre in my life', etc, all because I used logical arguments and facts, generally accepted community definitions ('I don't like david belle, i think his definition's crap' was his response) to show him that what he was doing in total was HIS way of moving, inspired by freerunning, parkour & 3run, rather than just the PARKOUR way of moving.

Sorry for the rant, just been pissing me off that I've gone out my way to try and help the kid (as a kind of making it up after we had an altercation on SCPK) only to have it thrown back in my face because of the level of arrogance there is in the scene at the moment.  :-[

Socialize / Online
« on: February 01, 2006, 06:15:58 PM »
You're is weird...I can see the forum being active in front of my strange...must get more coffee...late guys online...weird...

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: imaturity
« on: February 01, 2006, 01:10:22 AM »
yeah true button lol. i have been hit on by seniors i just turn most of em down because i am moveing to san antonio texas in june and it wouldn't be nice.

 ::) Dude, you're looking at this the wrong have 4 months to do whatever you want and not have to worry about the consequences... ;D

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: imaturity
« on: January 31, 2006, 03:33:51 PM »
If your friends stood by and let other people do that to you, for their own benifit...they're not you're friends, simple as. Friends are people who will stick by you through no matter what, people who are always there for you no matter what time it is, and people who will do anything for you at whatever cost to themselves - and vice versa, if you do that for someone in return, you're their friends.

You're friends have let you down, they're spineless and cowardly and I'd make them feel very aware of the fact if I was you.

edit: on topic, don't stop with the maturity thing, chicks dig it and I garauntee it'll help you pull hotter and quite possible older women, when you're 18 and you bag a 26 yr old you'll thank yourself  ;D

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Bond + PK= wow
« on: January 31, 2006, 07:45:20 AM »
the American parkour scene is prime for an explosion, with the bond movie, and B13 comming to the states.

Although it sucks if parkour makes in to the mainstream in the U.S. it most likely will. Since most people associate dangerous athletics with extreme sports.

Lol, it will all get big for about a year, and then when the winter hits again most people will give up. Only a few people will actually stick with it if the UK scene in the alst eyar or so is anything to go by.

Pics & Vids / Re: England
« on: January 29, 2006, 05:47:40 PM »
Ah man that brings back the memories, now you've just made we wanna be back in Southampton...looks like you guys have found some new spots too, gonna be sweet to session them in the summer. Hows the Southampton scene going? I spoke to Chris the other day and he said it had died a small death since autumn set in...

As for the videos, I'd recommend you guys work on your rolls and don't take things too high, you seemed to be going down your back at some points which obviously isn't good for you...also you could easily improve your climbups...seach around on scpk, I put something up about them a month ago I think.

edit: you guys love your thin lizzy dont you? did you know they played totton college, just before they got big?

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Tribe
« on: January 24, 2006, 02:46:28 PM »
Deft, you are a very funny person. Here is a simple answer for you, this is how you can do something which you know isn't parkour:

You accept it isn't part of parkour, and then you do it.

The people who say something isn't parkour aren't hypocrites, they're simply not doing parkour when they do those movements.

The parkour (utiliarian & efficient) way of moving is not THE way of moving, there are other ways of moving too. Just because you parkour doesn't mean you ca't do other things too, there's no law against having other interests aside from parkour.

Is it really very scary for you that you may be unique, that you may be individual, and what you do may not fit under a blanket definition?  :)

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Tribe
« on: January 22, 2006, 05:09:50 PM »
Not before team spinz 'n' shit pwn your ass.  :P

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Tribe
« on: January 22, 2006, 05:03:22 PM »
haha, leons behavior sounds kinda familiar....

anyway, best of luck to you guys, keep up the work you've done on the site and i'm sure you'll do a great job. *thumbsup*

oh yeah, one thing...f#ck off are UF unofficial team UK, it's TCT all the way! haha :D#

edit: 'f#ck off is it' or 'f#ck off about that' are just a british colloqiallism of saying 'no way is such and such true', it's not meant to be offenseive at all!

Nope, I think he's alive and kicking still - well, doesn't have a date for his death and they're usually pretty hot about that kinda stuff. Lovely stuff, good find, and I'm sure they'll be one or two architects out there in the future who wouldn't mind designing spots with parkour in mind  ;).

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