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Hey guys, sorry I won't be making this one.
Last minute family business  :-[

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Pics & Vids / Re: Demon's Must-See TV
« on: September 05, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »
Where did UF's Volume 3 ft. Stephane Vigroux go!?  :'( :'( :'(

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Indiana / Re: INPK host midwest 2010??
« on: September 05, 2009, 02:16:18 PM »
Lul, I was thinking maybe Indiana could get together and do something, but I see where this is going.  :-Sarcasm   Lul, alrighty then! (:

Yea we are def. not on the same page.  ::) I'm lost.

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Indiana / Re: INPK host midwest 2010??
« on: September 04, 2009, 07:53:51 PM »
Haha, of course NWI would be repped, but what about the rest of us? @.@

If you want to be recognized, go for it!

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Indiana / Re: INPK host midwest 2010??
« on: September 04, 2009, 06:44:34 AM »

 I feel that parkour
is really still so small, unheard of, underground, etc. that really no company, be it major or minor will want to help us out.
Unless someone has a family business  :P


well, fer 1, i was thinkin more along the lines of local government than a bussiness. 2. yes it is but thats y it would be such a great oppertunity not only for promoting the jam or INPK, but the intire disipline as a whole and there communities.


Right I understand exactly where you are coming from, but the diffivult thing would be to get governemnt to recognizeparkour.
A very good tihng about starting the NWIPK org. is that this will allow us in NWI to look more professional.

Keep in mind that me and Joe most certainly have thought about getting local government to recognize us,
so if we take more time, have NWIPK develop more, then we could move from there.


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Indiana / Re: INPK host midwest 2010??
« on: September 03, 2009, 04:56:24 PM »
i think it be a good idea to organize something were we trade a community service for housing, advertising, promotion etc.

That's actually a really good idea Alex (and I hope that other throw their opinions into this mix) but I feel that parkour
is really still so small, unheard of, underground, etc. that really no company, be it major or minor will want to help us out.
Unless someone has a family business  :P

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1AxUPPcF8
Ironic that you posted this video, when I use the same one to show that none of the
founders supported the 1st Barclaycard WFC. Hmm...

Also, I love this:

If we can't come up with something that the Traceurs and freerunners WANT to be a part of, then we won't have a show. we won't have something that is fun and compelling to watch if the people in it don't have their hearts in it. They don't have to be there to beat each other, but they have to like and believe in the format and they have to know and believe that it shows the skills of what we do and that it is authentic.

Wording like this is exaclty what some one like me needs to hear. This is beautiful. The more I read that statement the more trust, faith, and
reassurance I have in you, M2, to portray and guide these competitions in the right direction.
I also like the snowboarding story, that shows me that you and the others working on this are well aware
of anything that could happen, and what needs to be done about it.

I am not saying that I fully support competiton all of a sudden, but that the way this will be run will be something I can sit down,
watch, and enjoy viewing. I do not want this to be something that I am yelling at the T.V. screen for someone saying "And parkour is an extreme sport!" or sometihng to that effect.  I am starting to be convinced that indeed, yes, this is probably in the right hands.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour on Man Vs. Wild
« on: September 02, 2009, 06:20:14 PM »
Probably because he was featured in Jump London.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: i love how parkour earns your respect
« on: September 02, 2009, 06:10:28 PM »
I get the opposite of your response, so I haven't told many people and don't train in public. They all think I'm some idiot kid trying to copy a movie or game.

Yea I was training at my uni the other day and this guy was like "Are you trying to be prince of persia?" I said "No, spider-man."  :)

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Allright well I usually try making long, well-written posts like Joseph's but I just don't have the patience for that right now.  ::)
In the stead of elongated comments mine will be more short and choppy and about what I can actually remember.

First off I need to say that I feel my comments are full of flowery words sometimes, making me seem like an extremist or
someone who will not be persuaded. This is not the case at all. I am told all the time that I am "deep" and I need to
"lighten up." About this I want to point out that my views and opinions and feelings that I have, although they clearly
differ from some of the members of the Alliance and Tribe, I in no way mean to embarass myself or anyone else,
or to seem that I am 100% correct or right or better than anyone. I quite literally have love for many members of the
tribe and Alliance and if something really negative happened to them, I would probably end up crying for them (or you goven
the reader  :P).

Hopefully I'm getting across what I mean to get across. Could I say what I have posted to your faces? I ask myself that all the time,
and while usually the answer is yes, I encourage others to remember that if what you have to say cannot be said in person,
do not bother saying it online.

Joseph, I'm very glad you posted what you posted because I agree with what you have said, and, like M2, he also saidd he agrees with
some of your points...agenda was the word actually. Regardless, I'm saying that yes, people need not be afraid to present their own ideas even if they differ from those of the more well-known people on these forums.

I really don't know where I am in this matter anymore. Surely there are things that I do not agree with with APK.com, such as the definition aspect being official. However, there are other things that I fully support and contribute to, such as Leave No Trace.

I also recognize the need of money, really, no matter what any one says, we need money to survive. Whether that is ethical or right, or whatever does not matter, we need it to survive. There are certain ways to make this money. Competition, or commercilization, is one way.
Now, just because APK.com might come up with a competition, does not mean that everyone should assume that every parkour/freerun/l'ard du deplacemet practitioner in America supports these competitions.

I think a main challenge of APK.com, and that I think Joseph was trying to get across was that AmericanParkour.com has American in the title, leading others to assume that hey, everyone in that country must surely agree with what is going on. That is not the case what so ever, and I encourage people to voice their opinions.

I would like to see a bigger televised parkour community. I would not like to see competition in the form of 1 vs 1. I would like to see competition in the form of 1 vs. Self. Both Joseph and Mark make very valid point. Compromise is the key. We must be able to adapt, just as parkour has taught us all. We must be able to adapt.


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On a side note, what is this karma you speak of NoRush  :P
On a side note, what is this karma you speak of NoRush  :P

Whoa O.O
On a side note, what is this karma you speak of NoRush  :P

Yeah what karma leon?

hhahaa! You guys just made my day woth while.  :)

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 The answer is simple: because there minds were the 1st to be set free, so why not put all good judgement on what they say
and feel about the discipine that they created...yes THEIR discipline. It is their discipline, not EZ's and not M2's and not anyone else's.

The practice of Martial Arts is owned by no one, and neither is Parkour.


Please tell me how this makes any sense at all? How can it be "THEIR" discipline while parkour is "owned" by no one. You go on arguing completely convinced you are right and hey maybe you are maybe you aren't it doesn't really matter to me but at least get your story straight first?


I said the "practice" is owned by no one. The discipline belongs to them because they strarted it, they have the final say in issues such as competition.
You misread my comment.

Conway, I'm not ignoring you, but I do disagree. Please remember that "the founders" said there was no difference two years after a difference came about.

did David Belle say there was no difference? Sebastien Foucan clearly acknowledges that "Freerunning is his way" - he doesn't differentiate, but also doesn't necessarily subscribe to anyone else' definition of anything.

In either case, I see them as separate because they are now practiced as separate things, and there is no division between practitioners, people can practice one or both, and as much as people hate it, in my opinion a solid parkour foundation is a good start to freerunning - in the sense that if you can't vault a rail you have no business flipping over one, and if you don't have solid jumping, landing, and rolling techniques (all irrefutable skills of parkour) then you shouldn't be doing flips off anything.

If you agree that parkour is about efficiency moving over obstacles of some sort, then you have to acknowledge that "freedom to move however you want through a space" is different from that.

So, I have hopefully addressed your points - not an argument that I am trying to win, merely me sharing my opinion on the matters with you.

As for contacting them, I have to tell you that they let this go a long time ago. When I first searched for Parkour there were no English speaking websites, I made posts on French forums and was ignored (or worse).

the simple fact is I don't need their permission or anyone else's - I certainly didn't wait for their permission to make APK, and it has helped many people get into parkour. I didn't ask their permission to make a gym. APK is not any less useful for me not having asked them for permission, and in fact, it has stayed running when things like Parkour.net were shit down for lack of permission - which does more good??



That is why I trust your judgement. I feel the exaxct same way, that if one cannot vault a rail, they have no business flipping over one. I fear that that message right there will be lost on media coverage, that is the only tihng I fear. I do not fear loss of spirirt or values with competition, I fear that people will only look forward to flips, and that is not how it was in the beginning.

Really the way you explained it to me helped a lot.

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Another couple of things:

1. I most certainly know and believe full-heartedly that the Tribe and Alliance and M2 have the very best interests of
Parkour in their hearts, minds, and bodies. And I understand and support the idea of making parkour into something which can be made
a living off of. (Just not competition the Barclaycard style)

2. Come on people, smiting me does nothing to solve these problems. I've noticed my neg. karma going up,
while not one person has responded to anytihng I have said (I would not expect so though, pretty hard to
prove me wrong seeing as how I do not stray from what the foundes teach.)
These issues won't be going away just because you cannot answer my questions, I'll keep bringing them up
until it is realized that competition without the founders permission is invalid and void.

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I do support the Ninja Warrior format. It is the competing against another traceur/freerunner (because those are the same disciplines
and all of parkour in America needs to recognize that) that I am against. Why am I against it? Because this is the way the founders
had set up their discipline.

It seems to me that there is some disrespect for the founders in the community. Those who say why believe sometihng just because the
founders do? The answer is simple: because there minds were the 1st to be set free, so why not put all good judgement on what they say
and feel about the discipine that they created...yes THEIR discipline. It is their discipline, not EZ's and not M2's and not anyone else's.

The practice of Martial Arts is owned by no one, and neither is Parkour. However, the beginning of the Yamakasi marks the begining of
the discipline, the beginning of the words parkour/freerun/l'art du deplacement. We should not stray from one thing the founders teach,
direct, or change in their discipline. If we do not like it, then we must find something else or deal with what we do not like.

What I am getting at is that, M2, if you have not contacted the Majestic Force, Belle, Foucan, or any other founder (at least 1 founder)
and ask him for permission to run a competition, you should not have a competition. Not just you M2, but EZ as well.

And still no one has answered my question: which of the founders ever said that pk/fr/add were different and separatre from each other? No one. I
implore APK(.com) to change the message that pk and fr are different, and realize that in fact they are the same.

Regardless of that, competition in the ninja warrior format is a plus, and one that I highly support.
But a competition against another, let me just say this: can the so-called "champion" really tell himself, "Yea, I did better than them"?

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour "Competition" Ideas
« on: August 28, 2009, 09:29:57 PM »
Ah, I hear you. Sorry for being off topic then...

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Parkour and Freerunning are the the same thing like Longboarding and Vert are the same thing.

But that aside, watch the movie 'Redbelt'

Seriously. Thats all you need to do.

Unfortunetly I have no idea what Vert is, or longboarding either.

If you cannot answer this question, which of the founders ever said that freerunning,
parkour, or l'art du deplacement are different, then they are the same.
Pretty simple really, no one ever did. Different words, same def.


Watch this, it will actually help clear things up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02JgWHhgxr0

Chau explains right in the beginning.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour "Competition" Ideas
« on: August 28, 2009, 08:20:35 PM »
As far as Freerunning goes, I think it lends itself more easily to the type of competitions that have already been held, namely, score-based runs by individuals, a la X-Games/Gymnastics. Because of the aesthetics of Freerunning I think that style of competition can work well if done safely and as objectively as possible, so...no arguments there for me.

As for Parkour, that is a stickier situation. Because it was created inherently as a non-competitive activity, an activity rooted in helping others and the idea of "efficiency", scoring it like a skateboarding or surfing event just wouldn't really work. Therefore, I think it should be judged on a series of events. I like to draw inspiration from other established ideas and institutions, so here goes...     

You talk as if Parkour and Freerunning are different, when they are not.

Foucan, as just another founder of the discipline (here called freerunning) said himself not to compete. So, even if they were different,
Foucan would get the final say.

Again, however, they are not different.

You talk as if Foucan owns Freerunning. It's more of self-expression and whatever you make of it. So if he wants to set them different from each other, let him.

No, I talk as if Foucan is just another founder. Freerunning is not soley his.

By he, I'm taking it you mean Gabe. Yes he can separate the words, with a mere spacebar actually!
But the words matter not, it's the connection the word implies that matters.

Because Parkour and Freerunning both imply the same connection, that is, whatever they are by definition, they are not different and therefore should not be discussed as if they are.

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*referring to the news release link*
Again. Parkour and Freerunning are the same thing.
Repeat that as many times as needed to get that into permanent memory.

The downside would be competition, although I have to say, the way UF does competitions,
it could be A LOT worse. Ez is doing allright for now. I just keep telling myself, it could be
A LOT worse.

The upside is that Parkour//Freerunning would be introduced to schools! YAY!


Downside to the upside: If introduced to schools, they could get the wrong picture
if the false message holds that pk and fr are different. If that is fixed, and the
width and breadth of parkour in America comes to realize that Parkour and Freerunning
are in fact the same...(TELL ME THIS: WHOM OF THE FOUNDERS EVER SAID THEY WERE DIFFERENT!?)
...then the upside might just overway the down side.

I'm not really going to get too worried for a couple reasons. One is I know that people are so lazy,
there won't be a MASSIVE turnout of new permanent practitioners. There will be a minor
jump and that's it.

However, a jump, no matter how small, as all practitioners are aware of, can be very dangerous. We could
very well see a mass number of injuries spread due to people just wanting to look cool on T.V.
and not taking the proper amount of time to train.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour "Competition" Ideas
« on: August 28, 2009, 07:54:38 PM »
As far as Freerunning goes, I think it lends itself more easily to the type of competitions that have already been held, namely, score-based runs by individuals, a la X-Games/Gymnastics. Because of the aesthetics of Freerunning I think that style of competition can work well if done safely and as objectively as possible, so...no arguments there for me.

As for Parkour, that is a stickier situation. Because it was created inherently as a non-competitive activity, an activity rooted in helping others and the idea of "efficiency", scoring it like a skateboarding or surfing event just wouldn't really work. Therefore, I think it should be judged on a series of events. I like to draw inspiration from other established ideas and institutions, so here goes...     

You talk as if Parkour and Freerunning are different, when they are not.

Foucan, as just another founder of the discipline (here called freerunning) said himself not to compete. So, even if they were different,
Foucan would get the final say.

Again, however, they are not different.

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Indiana / Re: FOLLOW THE FLOW TSHIRTS FOR SALE!!
« on: August 28, 2009, 07:47:10 PM »
So how are things going?  Did you end up getting enough orders to get the materials?  I'm excited to sport a new INPK shirt around town.

He's got materials and he's started making shirts,
but he needs order from people like you who said they were going
to order and never did.  >:(

 :-*

Ironically, this was posted right before I learned you had ordered.

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