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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR VS FREERUNNING
« on: October 09, 2009, 09:34:11 PM »
Freerunning is painting through movement using the environment as your canvas.

No it's not  :) I hate art and painting, to do these activites, because of my past experiences.
I am no motion artist, simply, a traceur.

It still could be that for him.

Yes. For him. All I was saying is not for me.  :)

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Allrighty, thanks for answering.

Yes, they will be competing and in fact they will need to want to win if it will be a successful show - can you imagine if pro football players were interviewed before the game and said "I don't really care who wins I just want to do my best"  - that wouldn't fly,

Eh, you kinda just...I wonder how blue feels about that comment.  :) (starting at 7.48) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny71ocrzEAE
That competition still flew...literally.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR VS FREERUNNING
« on: October 09, 2009, 04:28:02 PM »
Freerunning is painting through movement using the environment as your canvas.

No it's not  :) I hate art and painting, to do these activites, because of my past experiences.
I am no motion artist, simply, a traceur.

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M2, I've looked through some of your posts on here and I haven't found what I was looking for, so I'll just have to bring up this question.

Are these league competitions going to be in the name of Parkour, or in the name of Freerunning? Both?

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR VS FREERUNNING
« on: October 08, 2009, 04:27:43 PM »
Gabe, what you said directly comes from David's mouth, in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orjt7BhvfMw
He gives an understandable definition to both beginners and veterans what is Parkour, verbally.

It is a method of physical training which allows us to move. Parkour is not the movement itself.

Parkour is l'art du deplacement.

Definitions do matter, I have found that out on a thread I started at parkour generations' forums here: http://www.parkourgenerations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=906

That conversation (which includes many U.K. community leaders) answers many questions, and I highly recommend to everyone who posted on this thread to check it out.


My modification is this: If parkour and freerunning are different (which I am personally starting to believe due to the above thread), it would allow for competition in freerunning. Therefore, we would all be happy. Those who want competiiton can now have it, in freerunning. and those who understand what the founders meant when they said there is no competition in parkour (I know it's a little hard to get that across to some people), then both parties are satisfied now.

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Socialize / Re: The "Traceur" Look
« on: October 05, 2009, 07:35:15 AM »
Agreed NoRush, but honestly, the traceur look was created long, long ago. Even before the Yamakasi, David Belle, Seb Foucan, or any of them. By who you ask...?





Rocky Balboa. Crappy old sweatpants, sweatshirts, tight under shirts, it's the look man...

Hahaha. Yes, true. But he is in the winter. We kinda dress like that all year round.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: ANGER! and the Art of movement!
« on: October 04, 2009, 07:44:40 PM »
Anger leads to the dark side. If you are careful, you can use this anger to grow positively, rather than turning into a darth Vader practitioner.  ;)
How so? By wanting more. All practitioners are never satisfied with the level they are currently at. Like Anakin, we want more, except we know why and it is allowed. We want more in order to become more free, to get away from the Matrix that is our society of today.

If you can harness your anger to become a more powerful human in every way of the word "powerful" and all it's implications, then indeed you will become free. Your path might be to use anger, rather than convert it into something else, or suppress it, etc.

I think it's good your using your anger, the same thing I do.

You will enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFEoSV-PEc&feature=PlayList&p=35AA38B1D90EB3AA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16

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Socialize / Re: The "Traceur" Look
« on: October 04, 2009, 07:33:37 PM »
Hey everyone.

I have not read through the hundreds of posts (who could blame me)? I'm going to answer with sort of a history lesson.

The Traceur look is one of an average, non-traceur look. The founders originally had to get permission from the towns people of the city of Lisses in order to shoot a commercial with Nike using parkour. The people of Lisses were at first reluctant to give permission. Eventually they allowed it, but under some circumstances.

Those involved in the commercial had to be mindful of the people. They were not allowed to get in the way, scaring elderly people,
and jumping all about in crowded places potentially harming others. This is why we see Foucan walking amongst the people on the sidewalk
in the commercial, rather than running through them, pushing them over, disrupting their walk.

This had lead to two of parkour's most important/ingrained philosophies: Respect, and Stealth.

Stealth had come form this commercial out of the respect to be had for the people. In order to not disrupt the lives of others(respect),
we must be as quiet as possible(stealth). Now stealth also comes in the form of caring for the environment. Stealth has morphed into not leaving a trace, meaning, don't leave trace marks on walls from shoes, be as quiet as possible, and pick up trash wherever you go if at all possible.

How does all of this contribute to answering the question? In order to be stealth we must blend in. Traceurs do not stand out. Only in movement can we be visually separated from the non-practitioners.

Also, the fact that there is no special traceur look pays heed to the notion that one should be able to do parkour at any time. This means in pajamas, in jeans without a shirt, with a skirt, (with green eggs and ham!) with no shoes, etc, etc.

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IN Regions / Re: traceur/traceures in Lakestation/Portage area??
« on: September 25, 2009, 10:01:40 PM »
It matters not if the other practitioners are motivated or not, mon ami, it matters simply if you are motivated or not.
Train by yourself. This has many advantages over training in a group. If you can motivate yourself, what else do you need in
life to be successful!?  :) And I know you can see things, hahha.  ;D I'm saying that with more experience comes with more "vision", or, the ability to see things. Your vision is no where near where it could be, and hopefully will be, in the near future (depending on how consistently you train). Take this not as a knock against you, but rather something to look forward to.

There is no other way of evolving your vision than by simply training day after night after day after night and eventually your creativity will expand as well.

Paladdin (your nickname is now a U.S. tank) - Okay.  8)

Also Zayn, you can fix double posts by clicking the edit button under your post, then adding what you forgot.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: do we get payed???
« on: September 25, 2009, 09:48:59 PM »
Going off of what Cody said here
There is also the option of teaching, which is only an option after training for many years and gaining the experience to teach others.

The best way to do this is to get an A.D.A.P.T. certification (which is what my goal is). I want to make a living off of parkour.
My idea is to earn this certification, open a gym, et viola. That sounds much simpler than it really is, and I will absolutely have
something to do at the same time (2 jobs): languages. A translator and instructor will allow me to be happy and still survive.

A sponsor should probably be the last thing on your mind. I'm sponsored now, and honestly, it would make absolutely no
difference at all if I was not. Train hard, first off, to be strong human, to save yourself and others in an emergency situation,
to escape, to become free. Point is: do not go into this thinking about money, if you do, right off the bat, you will never reach your full
potential because once you get 1 movie, you will say to yourself, "ok, I am good enough" when even the founders today are not satisfied with
their skill level.

Another option would be a teacher and an instructor, or any job that allows for free time in order to teach/train l'art du deplacement.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: do we get payed???
« on: September 25, 2009, 07:12:33 AM »
Some try and get sponsored. Others use the money they already have,
Being sponsored does not mean that you will make $, EX: myself.

The majority work, and then travel. And use that travelling to train.

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IN Regions / Re: traceur/traceures in Lakestation/Portage area??
« on: September 25, 2009, 07:09:42 AM »
Valpo and portage are too far for me, personally.
Merrillville I've been to a couple times...I'm not sure about Hobart.

Well see the thing about you telling me there are no "good" spots, I cannot
put stock in.  :) It's because you've been training fo how long, 5 months.
Your vision takes much more time than this to actually "see" whether there
are environments with mny obstacles/oportunites for displacement and expression.

Now, it might just turn out that there are no "good spots".  :-X But it's def. a good idea
to not make such a statement at your level of experience. I used to say that very same thing
about Hammond, and it turns out, it is the most populated area of spots in this region of NWI
tied with Highland.

 :)

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IN Regions / Re: traceur/traceures in Lakestation/Portage area??
« on: September 24, 2009, 09:48:50 PM »
Then we can come to you. I have not personally skoped out lake station, but seeing as how PK is a community like no other,
I think there's really no reason that we should not have met up already. Please PLEASE give me a call when you are free. It is much
easier for you to call me than me to you because you are in high school and therefore your time is taken more than mine is. Your schedule
is more hectic than mine, so calling me would be easier for us to schedule something.

I just called and met up Joshua from Highland. I know Lake Station is farther out but it's not that bad.

If there are interested people in LS, then by all means I would love to come by and skope out the area,
meet you, and hopefully you will be able to meet everyone else in our tight-knit community. I see no reason why not.

Aladdin is certainly right. We come to you, and you come to us.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: seems like the site has lost hype
« on: September 24, 2009, 09:39:58 PM »
The older members get tired of seeing and replying to the same old things and become less interested in the forum until they just forget to post there altogether.

And to add to this natural effect of a fact, I feel some that maybe some just want others to learn on their own.
I know it might be a bit...I don't know, "oldie style" to say this but I think there are atleast a few others out there
who still feel that technique shold be learned through own individual experience and experimentation.

I'm not saying that there should not be guidelines on safety and what really is and is not parkour/freerunning/art of movement, but rather
that, in addition to extreme repetition, the new users having quick and easy access to basically anything they need now, but a third is that some of us in the community just feel that thed internet should not be too active.

I think it's great that new people sign  on everyday, but after a while, really,  any forum should naturally slow down. It should and will have its up moments and then slow moments, and all the new rrush moments should be new blood, meaning, the members who haave been on apk.com since its inception really shold not be posting as much unless it's really contributing and not just repetion.


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Sorry for not posting sooner, I have been very busy this week with events, classes, school, and a birthday.  I understand that the deadline has technically passed but I hope my rather quick and quite imperfect definition be considered as at least inspiration for the final definition along with the others. 

The Art of Movement

“To live for others and give of yourself.” Yann Hnautra, founding member of The Yamakasi.

The discipline originally known as L’art du Deplacement, now called parkour, or sometimes freerunning was founded over 20 years ago in France by a group of nine friends who called themselves The Yamakasi.  Born in Evry and Sarcelle the art evolved through physical games and tests of strength, endurance and agility. It is a highly physical training discipline involving running, jumping, climbing, balancing, dropping and mastering one's own movements. The means and the method of the discipline is the refine of one’s body movement during interaction with one’s environment as one passes through it.  Parkour seeks to be a holistic discipline whereby the physical training mirrors deeper concepts of navigating life with humility, altruism, and profound self-discipline.  In the end however parkour is a discipline which is wholly experiential in nature - something that must be practiced to be understood, not discussed or categorized.

Just as a nice add on (don't know how similar or dissimilar this is the APK's info):

Parkour: The invented word ‘parkour’ originates from the French parcours du combattant, a phrase meaning ‘course of the fighter’ which was the original term for the military-style obstacle courses now used by armed forces around the world. From parcours, meaning ‘course’ came the altered ‘Parkour’. David Belle credits his friend Hubert Kounde for having coined the word.

Traceurs: A French term that originated as the name of a group of practitioners – Les Traceurs – consisting of several of the original French practitioners including Stephane Vigroux, David Belle, Johann Vigroux, Seb Foucan and Kazuma. Derived from the word for bullet and meaning someone who follows his or her own way, it is now widely used in reference to all practitioners.

Sources:
Videos:
"Jump Westminster", "A.D.A.P.T. Parkour & L'art du Deplacement"
Articles:
"The Meaning of Strength", "Le Parkour - An Overview", "A Note on Terminology", "Parkour History" (all by Dan Edwardes)




That paragraph where you copy the video of ADAPT is exactly what I was going to write myself.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Philosophy: The Matrix- "Know Thyself"
« on: September 22, 2009, 04:29:29 PM »
-I only read the article itself, no other comments on this thread.-

I really enjoy your article, as I feel, and so the founders have also said, that the Matrix is a very
inspiring aspect to their discipline.

As for what your article is pertaining to, which is just 1 slight point of everything
else that the Matrix has in relation to our discipline, I feel you do it justice.

There are many other points in which the Matrix has more meaning or affect
than "Know Thyself", and I think it would take quite a while to write it all out.

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I want to submit a definiton, but before I do I need to know one thing.

Is this the definition that will be used for the words "parkour" and "freerunning"?
If not, meaning that APK.com continues to express the incorrect view that parkour and freerunning are
different, then I cannot participate.

If this is not the case then I am more than happy to share my definition.

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National Jams / Re: MIPK/ Ann Arbor Jam 2009 - September 18-20
« on: September 13, 2009, 07:33:33 PM »
there's no rsvp shit right? but i'll b there(hopefully) with most of my team prbly early sat morn.

Cant house, dont need it.
Should be good on transpotation.


WILL NoRush be at this event?

does this cost anything? not food and such, but like tickets?

MAYBE. Not 100% sure yet.

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Parkour And Freerunning / New Classes in Indiana, Northwest.
« on: September 07, 2009, 10:17:53 AM »
NWIPK (Northwest Indiana Parkour) has a myspace managed by
NoRush, and a facebook managed by Joe R.

FB: http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=nwipk&init=quick#/group.php?gid=116456563721&ref=search&sid=1561796845.2761004957..1
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/nwipk

We now hold classes every Sat from 1-4 throughout varying locations in the Northwest Indiana Region.
The two instructors of NWIPK are Joe R. and John "NoRush Conway, both of whom will have started
4th year of training coming this April.

We have had much success, with atleast 1 new face showing up every week, and that is usually a female! (yay traceuses!)

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IN Regions / New Northwest Indiana Classes!
« on: September 07, 2009, 10:15:55 AM »
NWIPK (Northwest Indiana Parkour) has a myspace managed by
NoRush, and a facebook managed by Joe R.

FB: http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=nwipk&init=quick#/group.php?gid=116456563721&ref=search&sid=1561796845.2761004957..1
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/nwipk

We now hold classes every Sat from 1-4 throughout varying locations in the Northwest Indiana Region.
The two instructors of NWIPK are Joe R. and John "NoRush Conway, both of whom will have started
4th year of training coming this April.

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