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International Discussion / 12 hours in Hong Kong
« on: March 19, 2012, 02:59:05 PM »
Hello I am flying to Philippines to teach at an event and I'll be stopping in Hong Kong for 12 hours and 50 minutes. Are there any practitioners in the area that I can meet up with? I will be there in April 17th.

Indiana / Re: Welcome 2 IN *Post Here*
« on: February 05, 2012, 07:55:33 PM »
This is pretty inactive, use the INPK page!

New Mexico / Re: Looking for an "Eric"
« on: February 05, 2012, 07:49:10 PM »

New Mexico / Looking for an "Eric"
« on: January 12, 2012, 02:52:21 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a practitioner named Eric, we met at the San Antonio winter jajm 2012 that just passed. I didn't get his contact info. but he told me about Days of Movement at UNM, but I couldn't find that on Facebook either.

Any help would be much appreciated!


Washington / Re: Visiting Seattle
« on: December 24, 2011, 08:08:52 PM »
Wow, thanks for such an awesome reply! Very thorough.

I really appreciate the list of places to go to: those have been put on my agenda, right now.

I'll post in those other areas as well! This is great help!


Washington / Visiting Seattle
« on: December 24, 2011, 10:07:07 AM »
Hello everyone,

I'm from Hammond, Indiana (near Chicago) and I'm wanting to see the Seattle area, train around a bit, see the city, experience the people. I'd like to come around February 1st and stay for, well, a few weeks. But I'd be willing to go to a motel or whatever as well.

I'm wondering if anyone could house me for even a day? As for my personal training I've been training constantly and consistenly from 06 till now (5 years) and I'm an ADAPT affiliate coach of PK GEN. You can check that here.

So I'd love to show the ropes to beginners who might wanna trade a couch night for some awesome intruction  ;)

So yeah, that's about it.

I'll be hecking back here or you can e-mail me at

Thanks everyone, merry christmas, happy eid, kwanzaa, and hanuka,
and Happy New Year


I have signed and sent this as well to fellow Parkour Generations.

I believe that if you perform "Parkour" without the philosophies in mind, all your doing is jumping, vaulting, and running.

What do you think?

You are right. Without the philosophy, then parkour is gone, and only movement is left. This is what justifies me when I say that Parkour was indeed created, and not something that has been around forever. The movements have been around forever, but the philosophy has not been, and the combination of this movement and these philosophies is what makes Parkour.

Devolution is good.

The more smaller communities gather members and create their own websites and forums, that is
where those members will discuess topics with each other at. Something on a bigger national level, maye could be seen as this,
would be frequented less and less, or maybe only visted for world news, meaning news will become more important than the forums here.
Forums on a national level will be had to speak to others in other states, while local discussions are now had in their
own locality websites.

America is too big to have one website dominate the scene.
Which is good, because people have their opinions about this and that,
and to think that one website represents an entire nation is just silly.

Indiana / Re: Indiana Parkour Classes and Training Sessions Information
« on: November 06, 2009, 08:25:39 PM »
Location: Northwest Indiana Region
Address: Locations vary every Saturday
Day/Time: Saturdays from 1-4 p.m.
Fee: Commitment
Skill levels: Human
Contact information: 219-545-2159 (NoRush) [FB John Conway] 219-427-6269 (Joe) [FB Joe Ramirez]

Zach, I did not read all of your post...

Why not? I don't think it is fair to respond directly to his post without... reading it. :P

Yea I modified that and both of you posted while I was posting, I went back and read it before, that's why my post is edited.

So uh...check back in.

Edited after Keller's post:
I'm sorry this turned into an argument. Goodbye.

When I said (M2?) A. the reasoning behind creating a def. was not important in my post at all. B. because I had already started that statement
I figured I would end it with some sort of justification. I'm not putting all this on the shoulder's of M2 and I know that all of the community has come together to help with this def. And I feel that a definiton is required and a positive thing.

Existential stuff: M2 posted himself that he feels that if it exists why not be able to define it? Zack we're on the same page. Sure, zen-like, whatever you wanna say, regardless of it that works for me or not the def. IS universal and SHOULD and DOES apply to everyone in the same way, def. wise. We're arguing for the same point Zach, I think you really misunderstood my entire post.

I think you saw my post as an attack on M2 of somesort and that is not the case at all.

As for pk/fr being different, I did not bring that up in my last post.  :-\

Since your bringing it up, I'd like to point out to you that Blane holds the same argument you do. Congrats to you. And I already know that all the founders do not call them the same, or do they? Actually, I started a thread about that on pkgen's forums. Chau says in the ADAPT video they are all the same, then in another interview with a Finnish traceur, he says he does not do the parkour, but l'art du deplacement.

I had asked why this was on the pk gen forums, and many responded. Blane had come out to say that the reason behind that is chau's story. Chau was involved with the word add, not parkour. So, although they are all the same, he prefers the word parkour over l'art du deplacement.

They are all the same, it's just that he prefers to be called one over the over, one word over the over word of the exact same meaning.

So now you can either hold to your side, and say they are different, or you can switch. Either way, whole thing is still unresolved....right? No. Seeing as how the only change that would come about is through the founder's saying it, and that since they have never openly declared a separation, only which word one of them prefers over the other, I realy need to finish?

it is amusing to me how Americans find the need to redefine and rewrite so many perfectly functional things. Parkour wasn't broken; no need for you guys to come along and fix it.


How long have you been training? I don't think a practitioner of any "seasoned" length of time would go and smoosh all Americans into
one thing, I mean stereotyping. Parkour pushes against such things, to know the truth, and not generalize about such things that are
clearly faulty and just plain incorrect.

Let me see, all Americans are fat, all Americans are dumb. Yea...I think that's true.

However, regardless of how long you have been training, I want to requote what I posted earlier
No, American Parkour does not view Parkour and Freerunning as the same thing.

Wrong. does not view Parkour and Freerunning as the same thing. does not represent parkour in america in it's entirety. practitioners are part of parkour in america (american parkour) but just because the internet site has a geographic name does not mean that we all agree with what is posted here.

And the definition of parkour is universal, I believe that,( I guess I'll say M2??) wants there to be a definition for not only
to make the website more complete but because he also believes that if something exists we should be able to define it.

No, American Parkour does not view Parkour and Freerunning as the same thing.

Wrong. does not view Parkour and Freerunning as the same thing.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: winter training?
« on: October 16, 2009, 09:52:52 AM »
Agreed 4 times. But don't forget, if you were getting chased in the snow, you should still be able to get away.
Training in all condiions will only make you stronger, and more able to adapt.

I don't really think it was that bad. The warning was really great to put in there and
the movements were "spectacular" but that is to be expected. I think this MTV thing
is going to turn out quite well...

I'm glad you put APK before sleep... ;)

Thank you for posting Muse.

My feedback: Love it. Great job!

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR VS FREERUNNING
« on: October 12, 2009, 07:49:37 PM »
We feed ourselves off of obstacles. Belle said something to that extent, don't remember exact wording.
Anyway, that's where efficiency gets debated. It could be more efficient to run up the wall instead of taking
the time to walk the entire handicap ramp.

But then, in order to train, we must purposelly and intentionally put these obstacles in our way, so that when a
real life situation comes up, we overcome that obstacle in a more efficient (or rather, never ever done before) manner.

Thank you Belle and TK17, where my thoughts had been led from.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR VS FREERUNNING
« on: October 11, 2009, 07:56:02 PM »
Matthew W, I really don't know where to go with that post. I was reading all the posts, got to yours, and then my head
had no more thoughts..just...question marks.  :D (And then taylor posted and i screamed.  ;)) It sounds like your saying there is no free running or parkour because there is free running or parkour. And then somewhere in there a can of smelly yet delicious worms pops up. It's not clear to me at all, and if you could explain further I would greatly appreciate it.

I could tackel one comment you made, however. There are no purists because one jumps over a rail and then back over it.
(This also plays into a definitional stance) Parkour is essentially the skills one would need in order to escape a pursuer, so if
needed to jump over a rail to get away from the dag, then jump back over that rail so I don't fall in the river below me, I still used parkour.
(Note: just one feature of parkour is the skills we would need to escape a pursuer, there are many other purposes).

Also, what I'm getting at is that, in a run, a person doesn't use parkour, then flips over a railing so is now using freerunning.
It's all the same. Your not going to run towards a wall and think, ok use parkour and wall-run, then come to a picnic bench and say
ok freerunning time reverse vault! (I hate how flips are the #1 example of the word freerunning, you don't have to flip to be a freerunner.
Stop creating a bad assumption, use that example less please.) In the run your mindset is always, ok do this, and now this. I'll go there and do this, etc.

The words are different because English is different from French, not because the disciplines are different. (I use this moment to say once more that these are all the same pk/fr/l'add).

A definition, specifically, could be Belle's. "Parkour is a method of physical training which allows us to overcome obstacles in our urban and natural environments." Anything beyond that we must use examples, and beyond that, show them. Parkour cannot be told what is, only shown what is. Let it be that which it is: undefinable.

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