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How long are you planning to jam for Saturday?  Are you considering jamming Sunday?

Socialize / Re: Versus Thread
« on: July 05, 2010, 09:08:10 AM »

Socialize / Re: A-Z movie game
« on: July 05, 2010, 08:55:42 AM »
The Quick and the Dead

How early is early?  Suns up at about 5:30 in the am now, so if we are trying to beat the heat we starting around 7am?

Some interesting points.  I am not sure that you completely grasped a few things that I was attempting to state though.

"Since safety in parkour is ultimately about self-control and taking responsibility for your own actions, any rules designed for safety are effectively self-defeating in parkour in the long run. You need to think for yourself rather than simply do what you're told." "However, to learn how to stay safe you need to make mistakes, and it's better for those mistakes to be made sooner rather than later."

I disagree with this statement.  As an example, I think it would be better for someone to be told that what they are doing is going to wear down their body and cause injury as opposed to them finding out that this is the case when it is too late.  Why let someone make a mistake that only results in them not being healthy in the end? Some mistakes can be good, but with such a possibly risk intensive activity there are so many crippling or potentially life threatening mistakes that I can't agree that establishing rules for ones safety is self-defeating.  If anything, that is taking responsibility for yourself in a large way because you are taking care of yourself.

"The student isn't the same person as instructor, and what worked for the instructor may not work for the student. The student only finds that out at the end, when they've spent years training in a way that may end up being useless to them."

I understand your point.  I agree that people are different, and some people can not do what others can.  I do feel though that this method is a good teaching model because in the end, we are all humans and you are learning a physical discipline that is based (hopefully) upon finding out what works.  It should teach the individual both a safe and effective method, and help them expand beyond what they feel they are capable of.

An example of what I am trying to express would be telling someone that they had to pass an obstacle by doing a muscle up, but that person has horrible upper body strength.  At their current conditioning and coordination level they can pass the obstacle other ways, or by taking alternate routes, but I am of the belief that a good discipline will make you to be better than you were the day before.  So the person keeps working on trying muscle ups and eventually is able to pass the obstacle that way.  Because they were told they had to do something one way, they are now stronger and more capable for it, and have opened up a plethora of other skills and paths to themselves, where if they only did what worked for them then they might have been stuck with a very narrow range of abilities.

"I don't think it does anyone any good to be forced into following someone else's way"

I have to agree with you 100% on this.  The only problem is that you as the individual have the choice not to follow someone else's way.  You choose to be a student (hopefully) and as such it is the student's responsibility to choose a teacher or coach that works for them ... to a degree.  I am always a proponent of learning what doesn't work for you too.

Maryland / Re: AACC Jam TBA
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:26:10 PM »
The last few times I have been there (and I made sure to space them at least a month apart) I was kicked out really fast.  I have never had any good luck with the campus PD there.

I realize that this thread is not anywhere near what it started out as, but I am going to perpetuate the discussion and throw in my 2 cents.

I find that part of the "boundaries" issue at least in martial arts in due to two things; the instructor and time.  Let me start by saying that I advocate an instructor strictly teaching a specific method or way to a student until the student is very proficient in that set way.  A good instructor should however allow the student to begin to branch off and develop their own way once that student is both proficient in the instructor's way and understands why that way works for the instructor. This way the student has a foundation and if more aware of themselves before they try to create on their own.  The time comes into play simply because the student needs to understand that it will take vast amounts of time to get to the point that they can be "uninhibited".

I also do not feel that many of the "rules" in other activities are "pointless."  I would argue that because many activities involve possibly dangerous circumstances, or involve training in groups, or involve work with partners, rules need to be in place.  Rules help keep people safe by creating order, establishing criteria known criteria that limit injury, and they help allow an instructor to work with a multitude of students at one time.

I will agree that with parkour, there are far fewer "rules", however I feel that this is because it is a naturally solitary activity that has very few individuals that are at a very high level actively teaching it at the moment.   I do think that as more classes become available, you will see more rules, simply because instructors will insist that people do things in a safe and constructive manner. 

I have to agree though that many people in these "rule" bound systems are naturally attracted to parkour, and for many I am sure it is because they never got to the point in their old system that they could be more free.  I also feel that it attracts a lot of people that were in existing systems such as martial arts, gymnastics, etc.  because it is a natural compliment and extension of what they were doing and because is has a similar philosophy or mindset at its core.

I know Mark ... that was too much text.  But when I do happen to give my 2 cents, I try to make sure you get your money's worth.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Diving Into Parkour's Internet Past
« on: November 15, 2009, 06:39:50 AM »
For your enjoyment:

I've read this thing probably 5 times.  I especially like Baram Shin's section ...  ;)

Maryland / Re: Is anyone located in Maryland?
« on: April 08, 2009, 09:01:50 AM »
Glen Burnie / Pasadena / Odenton (depending upon the day of the week)

Only really have time to jam with others Tuesday and Wednesday afternoons around 6, and Sunday mornings.  I usually train during my lunch hour at work (Annapolis Junction, MD).

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Drop question
« on: February 09, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »
The force or power that the body incurs is not changed, it is simply spread out across the body during the roll.

In a straight drop, the force must be absorbed vertically.  Thus the force must be absorbed by the muscles in order to prevent the body from being damaged.  Because the body is also essentially vertical, the mass in the equation posted above is the full mass of the person dropping.

When forward momentum is added, it allows for the proper execution of the roll.  What the roll does is spread out both the area of impact and by extension the time of the impact.

As you land with the forward momentum, you legs absorb some of the downward momentum, but because you (should) be leaning forward, the amount of mass that is above them is less, so they take less impact.  Your legs use the energy loaded in them as they absorb this impact, and explode forward and slightly upward to assist in positioning the body for the next step.  The mass that is still falling (your upper body) now starts to prepare for the roll.

When you roll, you are constantly absorbing the downward momentum.  If done correctly, different parts or points on the body are each gradually receiving and absorbing the impact of the fall as they roll forward.  This spreads out the impact across these points all because you rounded your body.  This is assuming you did the roll correctly and didn't absorb all the impact with your shoulder or back first and then finish the roll.

Hopefully that explains the physics behind it.  I have never tested this in a lab with force reading and what not, however this is the explanation that i have been able to extrapolate based upon my admittedly limited knowledge of physics, my understanding of the roll, and my ability to apply logic to connect the two.

I am going to approach this from a slightly different angle.

People often misread or leave out parts of what I think (yes I said I, so this could just be me misreading as well) Bruce Lee was attempting to express.

I love the "three stages of cultivation" that Bruce Lee explained, and I believe in them.  I find however that people don't realize that all three stages are necessary.  People often attempt to skip from ignorance to personal expression.  Focusing on styles and superiority of styles and differences between them is not important, but without learning the details of the way someone else does something, without learning from their mistakes or taking in the knowledge that they have already gained, I see this as either foolishness or overconfidence.

I feel the same way that Travis does in regards to the stage that most of us are in at the moment.  Without 5, 7, 10 years of constant training, people are still going to be in the stage where they are learning and perfecting specifics.  Most of us start by trying to move like someone else, but in my opinion far too many go off and attempt to 'just move' far too soon.  Yes that should be occurring throughout your training, but it takes much longer that I think most people give it.

What does this have to do with naming styles and such?  Well, from my point of view, naming styles is just naming the philosophy behind the training of the person you wish to emulate or are learning from.  This only serves the purpose of differentiation in discussion, and only at the second level of development.  The problem is that people have attempted to define terms and separate styles, when this should be done by those who "created" them.  Currently, in the higher echelons of Parkour, people do not want to define anything because of the unfortunate way that we fixate on these definitions as opposed to training.  We let these definitions divide us as we attempt to define them without going to the sources that we are attempting to emulate.

That's all for me today. Just my 2 cents.  Thanks for sparking this Travis.

Mid-Atlantic / Re: Regular Training - An invitation to come play
« on: January 12, 2009, 08:44:23 AM »
Same plan as last week.

Md Jams / Re: Jam Downtown Frederick MD SATURDAY 20th at 11
« on: January 05, 2009, 08:58:29 PM »
The post you are replying to was for December 20th (last month).

Mid-Atlantic / Re: Regular Training - An invitation to come play
« on: January 05, 2009, 08:47:29 PM »
Sorry for the late post.

I'm probably going to work out at Glen Burnie High tomorrow from 3pm to 4:30ish.  Going to focus on a few circuits and not due anything too crazy due to the cold (if we don't end up with bad weather).

Consumer Whores / Re: k swiss ariakes
« on: December 30, 2008, 08:14:56 AM »
Think racing tires; they are wide and flat and smooth so that they grip the road or track.  They took this and applied it to shoes and concrete. 

Pics & Vids / Re: Forward Moving Force
« on: December 29, 2008, 07:47:06 AM »

360 kong
precision backfilps
precision sideflips moving perpendicular to your rotation

All very smooth and controlled.  Great video.

Mid-Atlantic / Re: Regular Training - An invitation to come play
« on: December 29, 2008, 07:31:05 AM »
Probably not going to train on Tuesday afternoon this week.  Things have come up.

Heading down to acro today (Monday) to train with 'Akh'  though if anyone will be in the area.

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