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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: The Stride Revolution - TK17
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:28:32 AM »
@ Dave ...

First, this is more intended for an American audience, which might account for a discrepancy in how prevalent we view the technique to be.  Second, the key point I'm trying to make is that it should be practiced (in my opinion) as much as the typical "standard" movements.  I'm aware that virtually EVERY traceur has fiddled about with strides from time to time, and I know that many people have even spent time getting decent competence with them.  But I've encountered no one outside of the names in the article who's reached the same level of proficiency and flexibility with them that they have with, say, standing jumps.  I'm trying to encourage people to suck it up about the difficulty, in other words.  Third, I feel rather condescended to by the last part of your comment ... just letting you know, in case that wasn't your intent.

@ everyone else ...

From the responses so far, it looks like this is already changing in places I don't know about, which is good.  It's interesting that out of the four cities specifically mentioned in people's responses, two of them are working on it in direct response to what Phil's doing.  In other words, they're reacting exactly as I did, and this is preaching to the choir for them. 

Those of you who HAVE been working on them for a while now ... I've been out for two years while you've been doing it.  Any thoughts to share?  Treat me as a novice.

Pics & Vids / Bruce, Lisses Traceur, and Place de Chevreuse closing?
« on: October 02, 2008, 04:11:25 AM »
Bruce asked me to share this with as many people as possible, because "this spot is closed soon."

 :o :( :o :( :o :(

I don't know if that means what it sounds like, but I'll let you guys know if I hear more, and I hope anybody here that knows more will post.

The vid:

I'm going to do my best to go.

Pics & Vids / Re: Project: Pilgrimage (now with Google streaming!)
« on: March 28, 2008, 02:58:04 PM »
Those are actually both from Deep Forest III, I think it's called Comparsa or something?  Anyway, disc one of that two-disc set.  If anyone needs a specific album name, I'll post that, later.

Pics & Vids / Re: Project: Pilgrimage (now with Google streaming!)
« on: March 28, 2008, 02:46:57 PM »

Pics & Vids / Re: Project: Pilgrimage (now with Google streaming!)
« on: March 27, 2008, 11:29:21 AM »
Um ... it was ... just me, who made it.  I mean, I meant what I said about everyone supporting me, and I couldn't have done it without that support.  But in terms of actually doing editing, it was pretty much just me sitting alone in my parents' basement.

Pics & Vids / Re: Project: Pilgrimage
« on: March 23, 2008, 02:36:30 AM »
Eventually, yes, a high-quality version will be out there.

Pics & Vids / Project: Pilgrimage
« on: March 22, 2008, 05:54:36 PM »
The following link is a medium-quality download of The Pilgrimage Project.  This is a full-length documentary about Lisses - the birthplace of parkour - and about parkour itself.  It contains footage of over a hundred and fifty traceurs, and was shown to David Belle for approval before release.

The file is 440 MB.  I'm sorry that it is so large, but it is an hour and a half long, and it was important to keep the quality at a respectable level.  If anyone is capable of compressing it further, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.  If anyone is willing to mirror the file and make a new download link, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.  If anyone is willing to set up a bittorrent, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.

It is important that everyone understand ... this is not just a "parkour video."  It's not just a bigger and better sampler.  It is different, and it deserves a different kind of attention.  Comments beginning "I couldn't be bothered to watch the whole thing, but ..." will be ignored.  Please try to watch it all in one sitting if you can ... set aside enough time to see the whole thing.  Watch it with friends, talk it over ... and then let me know what you think.  I spent over a thousand work hours making this, and I care very deeply about it, and I am eager to know what you think. (right-click > save as) <--- Streaming link! <--- DVD image file, full quality (may have to burn directly to disc, but it'll play on any PAL player)

All right.  Please, please, if you have an ncparkour account, post your thoughts in this thread, for the sake of keeping everyone (literally) on the same page.  If you're strictly APK, post here and I'll try to "quote" you on the other board.  I'd prefer to keep most of the discussion over there so as to not let the secret out.   ;)

The way this works is, basically, David Belle is asking people all over the world to submit photos and dossiers of hotspots and traceurs, and he's going to pick the most interesting spots and people to visit on a grand world tour over the next two years.  I happen to have a chance to talk to him face to face in March, when I take "Pilgrimage" out to Lisses, and so I thought that, rather than doing things through e-mail, I'd take North Carolina's application to him personally.  He knows my face and my name by now, and I think the personal touch could go a long way towards convincing him that we're a good bunch of people to visit.

However, my status as an ambassador doesn't mean my opinion, or what's privately best for me, is what's best for the group, so I've begun that thread on ncparkour so that everyone can discuss things like when the best time of year would be, or what locations would be the best for us to take him to.  Obviously everything is hypothetical right now ... the tour may fall through, or he may simply not have time, or whatever.  None of this might happen.  But if it does, I'd like to do my best to make it happen in a way that's good for all of us.

Once again, if you don't mind, try to keep the majority of the discussion in the ncparkour thread located here.


Pics & Vids / Re: Sneak Peek / Teaser for "The Pilgrimage Project"
« on: January 24, 2008, 06:08:42 PM »
Send anything to PKPilgrimage at

Pics & Vids / Re: Sneak Peek / Teaser for "The Pilgrimage Project"
« on: January 22, 2008, 06:03:40 PM »
Altair:  Hopefully, the finished product of this vid will help your trip be that much smoother and more successful.  :D

The song is "Bari Improv," by Kaki King, off the August Rush soundtrack, but I extended it and added a little percussion to make it fit better with the vid.

Pics & Vids / Sneak Peek / Teaser for "The Pilgrimage Project"
« on: January 19, 2008, 05:33:36 PM »
Again, PLEASE ... if any of you have been to Lisses, send me some footage, I'd be honored to include it.  PKPilgrimage at gmail

This is just a single short segment, but I mixed it up last night and was pleased with it, and thought I'd share.

In the Media / Re: FYI on an Adidas trademark violation
« on: January 03, 2008, 12:00:40 PM »
Hey, EZ, thanks for joining the conversation.  I hope I haven't offended you ... I did my best to make it clear that I didn't think Urban Freeflow had done anything wrong at all ... unlike many of my friends, I'm not a UF hater.

Five Ten is actually doing their own legal research, and is already pursuing a second, separate possible infringement on the rights to the word "stealth."  I've posted this simply to open up discussion on the issue, and now we're getting somewhere.  I'm eager to protect Five Ten - as I said, I know the guys and love the product, so the issue's really important to me, especially as Adidas is so popular and successful. This isn't meant to get any legal movement started, but just a word-of-mouth to counter OTHER word-of-mouth confusion.  It's good to know that there's nothing deliberate there, though

Apologies if any offense WAS given, and I've gone and edited the initial post to reflect what you've just told me.  However, given that Urban Freeflow is such an enormous portal for traceurs, maybe you yourself could open a discussion with Five Ten?  Not my place to suggest you change your site, obviously, but nothing but good could come of at least talking, right?

P.S. - edited the same thread on 3Run, and added your reply there, too.

In the Media / Re: FYI on an Adidas trademark violation
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:35:18 AM »
Good info coming from everybody, thanks a lot for that professional opinion, Muse.    ;D

In the Media / Confusion on "stealth" with regards to PK shoes
« on: January 02, 2008, 02:50:49 PM »
Mods, I understand that this might more appropriately go in the Consumer Whores section, and if you need to move it I will completely understand.  But I thought it <perhaps> deserved a bit more attention, and thus put it up here.


*Modified in response to info from EZ and Muse of Fire*

Urban Freeflow is currently doing a word-of-mouth promotion for the upcoming Adidas parkour shoe, the "Traceur."  This is entirely appropriate, given that they are sponsored by Adidas, and they are (of course) Adidas' biggest group of traceurs.

However, the shoes are often referred to on UF as the "stealth" or "jet black stealth" models, in keeping with their regular habit of calling black things "stealth."

As a heads-up, "Stealth Rubber" is a trademarked brand of rubber used by the shoe company Five Ten, meaning that they have paid for and received the rights to the use of the word with regards to the rubber used in athletic shoes.  This may not sound like a big deal at all, but when you consider that Adidas is a giant of a company, and Five Ten is much smaller and, to a great extent, STRONGLY DEPENDS on the name-brand recognition associated with Stealth Rubber, you can see where this could be a serious problem for them.  Essentially, any traceur who's read a thread like this one, and had the words "stealth rubber" in the back of their mind for a while might walk into a shoe store, link up with the word "stealth" that they saw on UF, and buy the Adidas shoe.

While this particular instance is unofficial and probably accidental, Five Ten's already pursuing a separate trademark infringement involving the same name, also by Adidas, so I wanted to make sure to get a counter-word out.  This kind of thing can pretty effectively screw Five Ten out of their advertising dollars ... Five Ten builds a reputation, but then hundreds of traceurs give their thousands of dollars to a different company because the new shoes mess with brand name associations.

Point --->  There is nothing wrong with Urban Freeflow endorsing a shoe by Adidas, and there is nothing wrong with Adidas manufacturing and marketing a parkour shoe.  But the rubber on the sole of that shoe is NOT Stealth rubber (which is the best shoe rubber on the face of the Earth, bar none).


In the Media / Re: American Pie: Beta with parkour
« on: December 30, 2007, 07:08:01 PM »

It's Joe Eigo, a pretty world-renowned gymnast/street stuntman/pseudo-tricking kind of guy.  He's very very skilled, a really amazing athlete, but not at anything in particular ... he likes to mix-and-match whatever he thinks is the most interesting or useful stuff from all disciplines.

Unfortunately, from a very recent conversation with one of the guys who trains with him, apparently he and his crew have the names "parkour" and "freerunning" exactly backwards ... the guy (who is a really good athlete himself, and a great person, and not to be disrespected, just that he's misinformed) told me that it's one of his pet peeves when people get it "wrong" ...

This friend and training partner of Joe's said:
I've always liked to think of parkour as the acrobatic "tricks" on a concrete playground not necessarily the most efficient, but the most fun and flashy whereas free running is the quickest, most efficient way from point a to point b - not so much with the acrobatics.


So, this might have actually been a "deliberate" misuse of the word parkour, in that Joe Eigo might have actually told them to say it that way, without realizing that he had parkour and freerunning mixed up.

Pics & Vids / Re: Go - A parkour sampler by TK17
« on: December 17, 2007, 02:13:21 PM »
I used Adobe Premiere Elements (less than $100, works for Windows) on a few clips, and it's also what I used to edit the 3Run Family Video last year.  I used FinalCut Pro for Mac on the rest.

In the Media / Re: Demon, TK17, Animus - to appear in USA Today (Tue Dec 4)
« on: December 03, 2007, 06:41:51 PM »
Yeah, that would've been cool, but we figured it would be better to start off by comparing it to skateboarding without a board, talking about how everyone in the community is crippled by knee problems and broken bones, then moving on to the best ways to trespass and damage property without getting caught by the cops, and wrapping up with a couple of plugs for our new corporate sponsors and the upcoming OMG UR DA BEST TRACEUR EVER competition tournament cup championship event.  Oh, and we threw in a little bit about how it's only meant for skinny white guys between 16 and 18.5 years old, for good measure.


In the Media / Demon, TK17, Animus - to appear in USA Today (Tue Dec 4)
« on: December 03, 2007, 05:10:07 PM »
Demon, TK17 (of, and Animus (of PKNA and here), as well as possibly others, were each interviewed by phone last week, for an article that is slated to appear in tomorrow's issue of USA Today.  Wish us luck, we did our best ... it could be a really good article, it could be "XTREME KIDZ JUMP OFF ROOFS."  Fingers crossed.

***Edit***  Link

Pics & Vids / Re: Go - A parkour sampler by TK17
« on: November 28, 2007, 02:20:42 PM »
They're both me.  I tagged off to myself.   ;D

It has to do with the fact that different parts of you motivate you to train at different times, and different parts of you want to "go" different places.

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