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Pics & Vids / Bruce, Lisses Traceur, and Place de Chevreuse closing?
« on: October 02, 2008, 04:11:25 AM »
Bruce asked me to share this with as many people as possible, because "this spot is closed soon."

 :o :( :o :( :o :(

I don't know if that means what it sounds like, but I'll let you guys know if I hear more, and I hope anybody here that knows more will post.

The vid:

Pics & Vids / Project: Pilgrimage
« on: March 22, 2008, 05:54:36 PM »
The following link is a medium-quality download of The Pilgrimage Project.  This is a full-length documentary about Lisses - the birthplace of parkour - and about parkour itself.  It contains footage of over a hundred and fifty traceurs, and was shown to David Belle for approval before release.

The file is 440 MB.  I'm sorry that it is so large, but it is an hour and a half long, and it was important to keep the quality at a respectable level.  If anyone is capable of compressing it further, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.  If anyone is willing to mirror the file and make a new download link, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.  If anyone is willing to set up a bittorrent, PLEASE DO SO AND POST HERE.

It is important that everyone understand ... this is not just a "parkour video."  It's not just a bigger and better sampler.  It is different, and it deserves a different kind of attention.  Comments beginning "I couldn't be bothered to watch the whole thing, but ..." will be ignored.  Please try to watch it all in one sitting if you can ... set aside enough time to see the whole thing.  Watch it with friends, talk it over ... and then let me know what you think.  I spent over a thousand work hours making this, and I care very deeply about it, and I am eager to know what you think. (right-click > save as) <--- Streaming link! <--- DVD image file, full quality (may have to burn directly to disc, but it'll play on any PAL player)

All right.  Please, please, if you have an ncparkour account, post your thoughts in this thread, for the sake of keeping everyone (literally) on the same page.  If you're strictly APK, post here and I'll try to "quote" you on the other board.  I'd prefer to keep most of the discussion over there so as to not let the secret out.   ;)

The way this works is, basically, David Belle is asking people all over the world to submit photos and dossiers of hotspots and traceurs, and he's going to pick the most interesting spots and people to visit on a grand world tour over the next two years.  I happen to have a chance to talk to him face to face in March, when I take "Pilgrimage" out to Lisses, and so I thought that, rather than doing things through e-mail, I'd take North Carolina's application to him personally.  He knows my face and my name by now, and I think the personal touch could go a long way towards convincing him that we're a good bunch of people to visit.

However, my status as an ambassador doesn't mean my opinion, or what's privately best for me, is what's best for the group, so I've begun that thread on ncparkour so that everyone can discuss things like when the best time of year would be, or what locations would be the best for us to take him to.  Obviously everything is hypothetical right now ... the tour may fall through, or he may simply not have time, or whatever.  None of this might happen.  But if it does, I'd like to do my best to make it happen in a way that's good for all of us.

Once again, if you don't mind, try to keep the majority of the discussion in the ncparkour thread located here.


Pics & Vids / Sneak Peek / Teaser for "The Pilgrimage Project"
« on: January 19, 2008, 05:33:36 PM »
Again, PLEASE ... if any of you have been to Lisses, send me some footage, I'd be honored to include it.  PKPilgrimage at gmail

This is just a single short segment, but I mixed it up last night and was pleased with it, and thought I'd share.

In the Media / Confusion on "stealth" with regards to PK shoes
« on: January 02, 2008, 02:50:49 PM »
Mods, I understand that this might more appropriately go in the Consumer Whores section, and if you need to move it I will completely understand.  But I thought it <perhaps> deserved a bit more attention, and thus put it up here.


*Modified in response to info from EZ and Muse of Fire*

Urban Freeflow is currently doing a word-of-mouth promotion for the upcoming Adidas parkour shoe, the "Traceur."  This is entirely appropriate, given that they are sponsored by Adidas, and they are (of course) Adidas' biggest group of traceurs.

However, the shoes are often referred to on UF as the "stealth" or "jet black stealth" models, in keeping with their regular habit of calling black things "stealth."

As a heads-up, "Stealth Rubber" is a trademarked brand of rubber used by the shoe company Five Ten, meaning that they have paid for and received the rights to the use of the word with regards to the rubber used in athletic shoes.  This may not sound like a big deal at all, but when you consider that Adidas is a giant of a company, and Five Ten is much smaller and, to a great extent, STRONGLY DEPENDS on the name-brand recognition associated with Stealth Rubber, you can see where this could be a serious problem for them.  Essentially, any traceur who's read a thread like this one, and had the words "stealth rubber" in the back of their mind for a while might walk into a shoe store, link up with the word "stealth" that they saw on UF, and buy the Adidas shoe.

While this particular instance is unofficial and probably accidental, Five Ten's already pursuing a separate trademark infringement involving the same name, also by Adidas, so I wanted to make sure to get a counter-word out.  This kind of thing can pretty effectively screw Five Ten out of their advertising dollars ... Five Ten builds a reputation, but then hundreds of traceurs give their thousands of dollars to a different company because the new shoes mess with brand name associations.

Point --->  There is nothing wrong with Urban Freeflow endorsing a shoe by Adidas, and there is nothing wrong with Adidas manufacturing and marketing a parkour shoe.  But the rubber on the sole of that shoe is NOT Stealth rubber (which is the best shoe rubber on the face of the Earth, bar none).


In the Media / Demon, TK17, Animus - to appear in USA Today (Tue Dec 4)
« on: December 03, 2007, 05:10:07 PM »
Demon, TK17 (of, and Animus (of PKNA and here), as well as possibly others, were each interviewed by phone last week, for an article that is slated to appear in tomorrow's issue of USA Today.  Wish us luck, we did our best ... it could be a really good article, it could be "XTREME KIDZ JUMP OFF ROOFS."  Fingers crossed.

***Edit***  Link

North Carolina / Pssst! TK's got a video up there in Pics and Vids ...
« on: November 26, 2007, 08:36:30 PM »
... and he'd really like some feedback from the people who actually know him and have trained with him, and that's you.  ;)

Pics & Vids / Go - A parkour sampler by TK17
« on: November 26, 2007, 11:58:25 AM »
Having spent the last two and a half years on this project, I could probably fill up a dozen pages talking about it, and how I made it, and why I made certain choices, and what the video means to me.  If people are interested in hearing that stuff, I'll come back and say it.  But as it is, I think the video speaks for itself.


The following is an "unedited" copy of the video, composed of unaltered raw footage including natural sound, for anyone who is willing to take the time to offer serious criticism or advice on my technique.  I consider myself thoroughly average in the world of parkour, a very intermediate traceur, and as such, I'm well aware that I have room for improvement in a lot of ways, and I'm eager for your help:

Any and all comments are welcome, and the more in-depth they are the more they'll be appreciated ... I'd rather read a thousand words telling me how terrible it is than see a one-liner that just says "Hey, good job!"


In the Media / Colorado - ESPN - Parkour (in both Colorado and Lisses)
« on: November 06, 2007, 07:31:07 PM »
Watched it on ESPN a couple of hours ago ...

I just wanted to say that Colorado Parkour has put together one of the best representations that the discipline has seen on US television.  True, the reporters and narrators were a little fuzzy on the flip issue, but who isn't?  An absolutely outstanding segment, high-class traceurs (and I mean that in spirit as well as in skills), and a truly inspiring presentation of a trip to Lisses.  I wish it had gone on for another hour.

Kudos, guys.  Congratulations, and thank you.  Thanks so much.  Everyone who took part in it should be proud, if you weren't already.  Respect for all of the Colorado traceurs is going through the roof right now.

If anybody ever manages some legal way to share it over the internet, I'd love a copy, or even just a chance to see it again.

Colorado / ESPN Segment
« on: November 06, 2007, 05:26:21 PM »
I just wanted to say that Colorado Parkour has put together one of the best representations that the discipline has seen on US television.  True, the reporters and narrators were a little fuzzy on the flip issue, but who isn't?  An absolutely outstanding segment, high-class traceurs (and I mean that in spirit as well as in skills), and a truly inspiring presentation of a trip to Lisses.  I wish it had gone on for another hour.

Kudos, guys.  Congratulations, and thank you.  Thanks so much.  Everyone who took part in it should be proud, if you weren't already.  Respect for all of you is going through the roof right now.

North Carolina / Man Carving Himself statue at UNCC ...
« on: October 16, 2007, 06:50:47 AM »
... Stephen (Steven?  Stefen?) promised he'd get some good photos of it for me, but I think he forgot.   :P  If he, or anybody else, could hook me up sometime soon, that would be greatly appreciated.  I'd love a dozen different shots, but one good one is enough to please me.

Pics & Vids / Requesting footage of traceurs who have been to Lisses
« on: September 11, 2007, 05:57:42 PM »
... for a collaborative, international video project.  I've got very good international representation through places like, but I'd really like to include some stuff from the American scene.  Basically, the video is a story about the traceurs who go to Lisses, and what it means to us as a worldwide community.

I'll take anything anybody wants to offer me.  Finished videos, raw footage, random clips ... whatever.  It doesn't have to be parkour, it could be clips of traveling or hanging out or talking to people or just the scenery in the area.  I'd prefer medium or high quality footage, but I'll take whatever I can get.  Please e-mail vids or links to, or post them up here.  I'll also take people's thoughts about Lisses or parkour in general, if you have any you'd like to contribute ... you don't have to have been to Lisses ... if you've thought about it, or are planning on it, or just have anything good to say about it, I want to share your ideas.

This is not a joke, or a scam, or a random pipe dream that's never going to get off the ground.  The video's already being edited right now, and I pride myself on finishing projects once I start them.  I'd be honored to have footage from any member of this board ... my final product will only be as good as the people who participate in it.  Release date is tentatively set for Christmas, but it'll probably take me longer than that.

Please, very much, and thank you, also very much.  Best of luck, in life and training.

In the Media / Small Local article
« on: September 10, 2007, 07:27:22 AM »
Burlington, NC, yesterday.

Unfortunately, in the print version, they seized on a photo of a wallflip that I was doing while warming up, before realizing that they'd already started taking pictures.  There are a couple of words out of line, references to flips, and they misquoted me a little.  But overall I thought it was decently done, and I was quite pleased that they gave so much room to the article, putting in bits about Lisses, conditioning, individual moves, etc.

For what it's worth.

NC Jams / Labor Day Greensboro Jam (NCPKJ3)
« on: August 09, 2007, 07:19:47 AM »
Saturday, September 1st, starting time still open for discussion.

The location is here, one block in downtown Greensboro between Eugene, Greene, Market, and Washington streets.  Best parking is along S Greene street, there are about a dozen parallel spaces that are free and usually empty on weekends.

Trust, it's got enough stuff for a group of traceurs to spend a week there, and I've NEVER been bothered on a weekend, trained there dozens of times, so we should be all right.  Fallback locations are UNCG and NCA&T.  Location's been chosen in honor of Gus, who's flying back from Arizona pretty much specifically to see the traceurs of North Carolina.

We're really hoping some of the Charlotte guys will show, I know we've asked you guys to drive a lot, but this time we've cut your travel time in half and added a drive for the Raleigh guys, and for the next jam we'd be happy to visit you on your home turf if we're all still welcome, or maybe even do this SC trip ohfomehxr's always talking about.  =)

Click here for Directions from Charlotte

Click here for Directions from Raleigh/Durham

Pics & Vids / A Hand for David Belle
« on: May 17, 2007, 08:12:30 PM »
Once more, if you are David Belle, do not read this.  I am bringing the final product in approximately one week.  If you are not David Belle, please don't show this to him.  Not yet.

I invite you to recopy this post anywhere you like. Also, if anyone is willing to re-host the larger versions of the image, please do so and post the links here.

This is the completed version.  There is some repetition; I apologize.  And this web version is slightly different from the one I am delivering in Lisses, because a few people sent in their pictures late and I didn't want them to be completely left out.

The final product:

Etre et durer - "To be, and to last."
Corps fort, esprit fort, homme fort - "Strong body, strong spirit/mind, strong man."
Etre fort pour etre utile - "To be strong, to be useful."
Ceux que tu as touche, continueront a toucher le monde - "Those you have touched, will continue on to touch the world."


Some alternate views:


Large-size download of the actual image (4 MB):
Full-quality download of the actual image (30 MB):

*Again, please re-host if you can.


Avatar version:
(Link: )

In the end, nearly 400 traceurs contributed images from dozens of countries ... from the US to China and everything in between.  If David Belle had any doubts as to whether or not he has had a positive impact on the lives of people around the world, this should put them to rest.  As the picture indicates, however, we can't simply take advantage of the gift we've been given.  Belle and the other men and women in the history of parkour have reached out and changed our lives.  It is now our responsibility to live up to the knowledge and the potential we have been given.

Touch the world.

Just thought I'd make everybody aware of this.  Even if people have absolutely no interest in contributing, I find the idea very inspiring, and it might serve to spark other, similar efforts, get people thinking.  If you can spare a few bucks, though, I encourage everybody to chip in just a little.

Quote from: Jin
Please can people sponsor me!

Im doing a 2 mile cat crawl on the 10th of August in Cambridge to raise money for New Foundations:

I really appreciated everyone sponsoring me and Owen for the 10k last year, and so call on the generosity of the parkour community once again to help this cause!

I will get pictures taken on the day and post them to show the crawl itself.


Thanks everyone!

Just a couple of ways to reinterpret this.  Jin's crawling 2 miles, which is approximately 2000 body lengths or 10560 feet.  Given that the motion of a cat crawl usually requires each limb to move about two feet at a time, he will move each of his arms and legs roughly 5280 times, for a grand total of 21120 individual movements.  If he weighs approximately 150 pounds/~11 stone and he balances himself fairly evenly between his four limbs, then with each limb he will push (35lbs/2.75stone per movement*5280 movements) = ~190,000lbs/~15,000stone.  I don't know how many people here have ever done a cat crawl for even as much as half a football field, but this will be one of the most physically demanding accomplishments I can think of.

So, here are some ways I thought about donating:
1 cent/1 pence per body length = $20/£20
.5 cent/.5 pence per foot traveled = $50/£50
.4 cent/.4 pence per individual movement = $80/£80
.015 cent/.015 pence (a sixtieth of a penny!) per pound pushed = $100/£100

Again, not trying to "push" this on anybody or demand money from the community.  But I thought this was pretty cool ... worth sharing, at the very least ... good to know that traceurs are out there working for causes they believe in, OUTSIDE of the realm of parkour itself.

New York / trip to new york not tomoro
« on: April 29, 2007, 02:49:14 AM »
Hi, guys.  I've already posted at, but I thought I'd go here as well.

Me and two buddies will be coming through Long Island (St. James/Smithtown area) on Monday, May 21st, and then through the City on Tuesday the 22nd.  It would be fantastic to meet up with some people - I know a lot of people are busy during the week and it's not easy to jam, but if someone's free to show us around we'd be forever grateful (I imagine it's really easy to wander around for a while and NOT find many good spots, if you don't know where to go).  We can come into the city at pretty much any time, but we've got to leave by 4:30 or 5:00 and head for Tuxedo.

NC Jams / UNC Jam Saturday 28th 11AM
« on: April 22, 2007, 01:04:54 PM »
I couldn't find it posted here, thought it was ... somewhere ...

Anyway, here are the directions to where we'll be meeting.

Coming in from 40, take 15/501 West towards the university.  Go about three miles, and there's an exit for Highway 54, Raleigh Road.  Can't remember if it's WEST or NORTH or what, just go right, towards UNC.  Go a little less than a mile, up a biiiig hill, and turn right onto Country Club Road, into the university.  Forest Theater's around the curve a bit, on your right, stone walls, can't miss it.

You can either park in the lot on the map, or if it's closed there's metered parking along Country Club that should be free and open on a Saturday.  If neither of those work, go back to the intersection of Country Club and 54, and go further into campus as if you hadn't turned, and there are more spaces.

Pics & Vids / Lisses Panorama (part of a video project I'm working on)
« on: April 18, 2007, 05:36:58 PM »
Just a little something I threw together in my spare time *coughhaven'tsleptforthreedayswhileworkingonitcough*  This was drawn "freehand" in Seashore, it's basically Microsoft Paint only for Mac, so it really sucks and it took me forever.  I drew all of the obstacles from memory, with no photos to assist me, so I apologize if there are some inaccuracies.

Click for full-size image, about 5000 pixels.

Please don't steal this image.  Consider it copyright ... use it all you want, Lisses doesn't belong to me ;) ... but let people know that I'm the one who created it.


For those of you who haven't heard of the Pilgrimage project, by the way, it's a documentary-style video I'm making about all the traceurs around the world who make their way to Lisses to train on the original obstacles and connect with the roots of parkour.  I haven't posted much about it on the American boards ... the gist of it is, if you've been to Lisses and you've got a video already cut, I'd love to take footage from it and use it in the video.  Nearly all of the action will be collaborative ... I'm going to do most of the talking in the vid because I'll film it while I'm there, but I'm collecting footage from traceurs everywhere (I've got about 25 vids and counting).  Details here if you want to participate ... e-mail me at PKPilgrimage(at) ...

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