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Title: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: vVTalonVv on November 19, 2007, 10:13:43 AM
Well, I woke up today to a crap load of snow mixed in with a hefty amount of ice. Just goes to show you that my season is now over.
I wish I had a gym somewhere to train in, but after talking to someone at the gym nearby me I didnt exactly want to pay $50 for an hourly lesson to join.

What a pain. I guess its simply back to the weights, punching bag, and jump rope until it gets nice out again.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Mark Toorock on November 19, 2007, 10:18:34 AM
Not at all ... keep training, just be very careful and weary of slippery surfaces. Cold snowy walls ... are these not obstacles?
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Jake Meyer on November 19, 2007, 10:24:58 AM
I'm sure I have a big load of snow coming my way too. I live in Minnesota. I feel your pain  :'( I just got into PK/FR this summer. What do you guys do for winter training? I also managed to get achilles tendonitis a couple weeks ago so I've just been doing strength training and stretching.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Corey Cedeno on November 19, 2007, 10:29:56 AM
http://www.whiteparkourvideo.com/trailer/

Snow and Ice has not stopped these guys.  Keep training; just be extra careful and test all your surfaces before you do anything.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Marshall Cent Lewis on November 19, 2007, 10:32:24 AM
You pretty much just do the same stuff.  Only thing that changes is what you wear while you train, which usually ends up coming off as the training session goes on.  Of course you'll have to be more careful about what you're doing and what you're doing it on.  Just remember the basics..

Know your abilities!
Check your surfaces
Dont take any unnecessary risks
Dont fight fatigue. If you're tired, stop!
Listen to your body
Always look before you leap!

And if the snow is thick enough, its even comfortable to know that you have a softer landing if you mess up.  Good luck training during the cold season!
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Zachary Cohn on November 19, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
You don't want to be some Fair Weather Traceur! Train differently, but there are no "seasons" for parkour.

That being said, I wish it were spring. Training is a lot more FUN when it isn't cold, I will grant you.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 19, 2007, 11:31:39 AM
Shovel that snow.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charlie" Frontflip" Chase on November 19, 2007, 12:13:54 PM
In my area(Canada) it gets cold as hell every damn day so its actually fairly difficult  i imagine to train in 3 ft of snow in negative 30C weather. But still im going to train what i can indoors and try to find a gym that i can go to.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Tichen on November 19, 2007, 12:19:01 PM
that's one inspiring vid. yeah, bad weather's an obstacle, but hey, we're tracers. :P

that being said, if you still want indoor training.. try tricking & breakdancing, they'll improve your parkour.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Ozzi on November 19, 2007, 12:24:45 PM
Yo guys there is a thread on myspace about PK/FR winter training, They talk about some very good exercises there and show some pretty good videos maybe that Will help you. I live in HI so it is rain what I have to deal with. HEAVY RAIN.

PK Myspace Group (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=45963726&groupID=100001850&adTopicID=26&Mytoken=0358AF91-6DF4-413C-A65AD8132EA7745141765635)
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Ozzi on November 19, 2007, 12:41:17 PM
How, fantastic video man. I like the part where everyone is Ice Skating and they are running. So when dies this come out/

Guys is you practice in snow and become good at it, imagine your core strength and balance on dry surfaces. The way I see it you guys have an advantage over everyone one else in dry weather because you are would be able to conquer any obstacle regardless. Isn't that what PK is about?

In my case it is rain what I have to deal with in my side of this Hawaiian island. I am not talking about sprinkles either I am talking about heavy massive rain at least 3 times a week. I dont mind training in the wet surfaces but it is very annoying to train all wet and having watter
pouring on your face. I might try one time getting my rain coat out and go for it see how it feel.

Anyway guys just take Cent's advice and be safe.

Have fun.

Here is another VIDEO (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFmS3Xs2r20)
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: vVTalonVv on November 19, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
What makes it hard for me to practice during the winter is that there is already very little for me to practice on already. My life in New Jersey consists of flat streets and peoples back yards. For those of you that have seen my video in the "My First Video" thread, you can see that my only real spot is that park... which is WOOD. I fell on my ass so many times when that wood was wet, I dont want to see what its like when I add snow and ice on top of it.

I need to find better spots to Parkour in Jersey, that are on the northern end... Snow doesnt exactly scare me, its just that there is little for me out here.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 19, 2007, 10:34:05 PM
In my area(Canada) it gets cold as hell every damn day so its actually fairly difficult  i imagine to train in 3 ft of snow in negative 30C weather. But still im going to train what i can indoors and try to find a gym that i can go to.

Yeah, I'm in Canada, too.  Whereabouts are you? 
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 06:19:53 AM
Yo guys there is a thread on myspace about PK/FR winter training, They talk about some very good exercises there and show some pretty good videos maybe that Will help you. I live in HI so it is rain what I have to deal with. HEAVY RAIN.

PK Myspace Group (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=45963726&groupID=100001850&adTopicID=26&Mytoken=0358AF91-6DF4-413C-A65AD8132EA7745141765635)

Do you have any parts of Oahu where it's dry all the time? I remember when I was in Maui, there were areas where it rained all the time, like a rainforest, and there were desert areas where it hardly ever rained..
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 06:22:41 AM
What makes it hard for me to practice during the winter is that there is already very little for me to practice on already. My life in New Jersey consists of flat streets and peoples back yards. For those of you that have seen my video in the "My First Video" thread, you can see that my only real spot is that park... which is WOOD. I fell on my ass so many times when that wood was wet, I dont want to see what its like when I add snow and ice on top of it.

I need to find better spots to Parkour in Jersey, that are on the northern end... Snow doesnt exactly scare me, its just that there is little for me out here.

I have trained in New Jersey, and I know there are tons of places there to do parkour. You need to hook up with the NJ/NY crowd.. Folks like Hardcore_Traceur, and Pyro4PK, Damin from the Jinn Clan, and Ann as well.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 06:24:13 AM
In my area(Canada) it gets cold as hell every damn day so its actually fairly difficult  i imagine to train in 3 ft of snow in negative 30C weather. But still im going to train what i can indoors and try to find a gym that i can go to.

Yeah, I'm in Canada, too.  Whereabouts are you? 

Canadian cities are perfect for parkour. Their architecture makes you think it was designed with parkour in mind.. Toronto is one MASSIVE hotspot.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 20, 2007, 07:28:55 AM
What makes it hard for me to practice during the winter is that there is already very little for me to practice on already. My life in New Jersey consists of flat streets and peoples back yards. For those of you that have seen my video in the "My First Video" thread, you can see that my only real spot is that park... which is WOOD. I fell on my ass so many times when that wood was wet, I dont want to see what its like when I add snow and ice on top of it.

I need to find better spots to Parkour in Jersey, that are on the northern end... Snow doesnt exactly scare me, its just that there is little for me out here.

I just can't believe that is "the only" spot around. I go to school in Rochester and just recently came back to my home town Albany. I was sure there was nothing good to practice on near where I live but I put on my running shoes and decided to go exploring. I ran everywhere and found 5 spots all within running distance of me.

Now about the snow that makes things even more fun. There's still a lot of training that can be done outside. Although you may need to back off of the wall climbs a bit so as to not slip and hurt yourself for the next "season" there's still many ways to train for it. That winter video I found very intriguing and inspired RIT Parkour to get a dog sled for the incoming snow season. Just have your senses more alert than normal, be sure you check EVERY surface you plan on practicing on, and go out and adapt to the new environment.

You can't decide what the weather will be when someone decides they REALLY want to grab you and hurt you for one reason or another. So train for all possible cases!
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: REMO on November 20, 2007, 09:21:02 AM
Keep training nothing wrong with a new surface to train on.  And it should make rolling on concrete a little bit nicer
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: REMO on November 20, 2007, 09:23:38 AM
Its not over now you have a chance to practice on a new surface.  It should also make rolling on concrete a little bit nicer.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 20, 2007, 11:20:04 AM
How, fantastic video man. I like the part where everyone is Ice Skating and they are running. So when dies this come out/

Guys is you practice in snow and become good at it, imagine your core strength and balance on dry surfaces. The way I see it you guys have an advantage over everyone one else in dry weather because you are would be able to conquer any obstacle regardless. Isn't that what PK is about?

In my case it is rain what I have to deal with in my side of this Hawaiian island. I am not talking about sprinkles either I am talking about heavy massive rain at least 3 times a week. I dont mind training in the wet surfaces but it is very annoying to train all wet and having watter
pouring on your face. I might try one time getting my rain coat out and go for it see how it feel.

Anyway guys just take Cent's advice and be safe.

Have fun.

Here is another VIDEO (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFmS3Xs2r20)

The White video isn't exactly the best example of Canadian winter training...  A lot of stuff was done that put the performers in great danger, considering their skill level.  I really wish people would stop looking toward it.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 12:26:52 PM
It's only bad if you know the whole story behind it. If you look at the video just for what it is at face value, it communicates nicely the idea of training in winter, so it's good to make the point. Any deeper than that, I would agree with you.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charlie" Frontflip" Chase on November 20, 2007, 02:02:47 PM
In my area(Canada) it gets cold as hell every damn day so its actually fairly difficult  i imagine to train in 3 ft of snow in negative 30C weather. But still im going to train what i can indoors and try to find a gym that i can go to.

Yeah, I'm in Canada, too.  Whereabouts are you? 
Im around 100km north east i think from Toronto in a small town called oakwood, what about you?
Also Canadian cities are goo for parkour, when i went to Montreal with my family i was doing a little here and there and it was great.i haven't had a chance to hit up Toronto but i hopefully will in the spring.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 20, 2007, 02:26:56 PM
I'm in Hamilton.

Muhammad, I'd probably have to agree on that front, but you can visibly see in that video that most of the performers are not at a high enough skill level to be doing what it is that they are doing in that video.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 05:56:17 PM
So we are waiting for some of you snowbound traceurs to make a better video to replace it with... *hint hint*
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 20, 2007, 07:23:16 PM
Happydud and I have some good ideas for when Rochester gets pelted next. Hopefully when we go back it will be covered and we can give some good examples.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 20, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
So we are waiting for some of you snowbound traceurs to make a better video to replace it with... *hint hint*


I've certainly been considering it.  I want to take the original concept of White and actually do what we were told it was going to be when we agreed to work on the project.  Dan has said he'll back me if I go ahead with it.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 20, 2007, 09:20:46 PM
That would be cool, if it was made by traceurs for traceurs.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on November 21, 2007, 01:16:54 AM
the trailer looked fine to me.  some slips, but i figured that's to be expected on ice.  i also figured those traceurs wouldn't be doing something they weren't ready for.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: vVTalonVv on November 21, 2007, 04:36:18 AM
If I may ask, who is from the NJ/NY area and where exactly are you guys from? I would really love to get together with somebody to jam sometime because it does get a little lonely out there by yourself.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 21, 2007, 07:47:20 AM
Yeah, the trailer looks cool, but there was a bad story behind the production, which is why the full length movie has not been completed.. I wasn't present during any of this, but I have been informed by folks in Toronto that the people were being pushed to perform at a level they were not ready for, resulting in some injuries. I heard one girl was encouraged to jump from something too high for her level, and she broke her ribs. You can see her in this video: http://www.pkto.ca/videos/pkTO_CBC-The%20National.wmv

There were other incidents as well. Many of the traceurs involved quit the production.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on November 21, 2007, 01:36:51 PM
Wow.  I had no idea.  Sounds like the sort of material for making a documentary about the making of a documentary...

If the filmmakers wanted to accurately portray Parkour, surely they must have known how much Parkour stresses knowing your limits and training safely??

Anyways, my heart goes out to the traceurs and traceuses involved.  Thanks for your heart behind initially being a part of this, and I'm sorry you got so sold out...  Not cool.

Another video made by traceurs... That would rock.  Please do make it.  The community as a whole could use some encouragement to keep training in the winter... (Training safely, that is...)
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Ozzi on November 21, 2007, 01:40:48 PM
Shes been watching her son play in teh back yard for 25 years?? He looks like 22 at the most.

Dude that kid is doing a great job spreading parkour. I wish him the best of luck.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Moa on November 21, 2007, 03:25:15 PM
I am pretty much at the end of my pk season too, but i want to get stronger and gain muscle mass. Does anybody have any good arm strength exercises, preferably ones that can be done outside of a gym.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 21, 2007, 03:30:02 PM
Laurie, I was a part of the original project.  The man behind it, James, is actually a traceur, but what motives he had behind the White project, I don't know exactly.  He wanted to create something big and something fancy.  I think he wanted to make a name for himself.  Most of the people who performed were very new to the discipline..  Most were under two years, a lot were even under one year.  They were told that landing into giant piles of snow was much safer, even from great height.  There's more to it, too, but I'm not too comfortable speaking about it on a public forum.  You can always reach me privately if you are interested in what happened, though.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on November 22, 2007, 01:20:09 AM
Yeah, I'd rather not make you revisit such memories.  Again, I'm sorry you had this experience...

But while we're on the subject, how were those "frostbiter" shoes?  I love New Balance and have found no other shoe yet that works for me the same or fits quite as well.  I did some online research and found there's a woman's version:
http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7350346/c/9436.html

Trouble is, I don't have $100 just laying around.  I don't even have $30 to burn, actually.  Or $10.  *sigh*

Still, with Christmas around the corner, I'm wondering if these shoes would be worth mentioning to family and friends.  What did you think of them in terms of winter training?  (But I suppose that's more a question that falls under "consumer whores.")
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charlie" Frontflip" Chase on November 22, 2007, 07:22:19 AM
Well now my regular training has ended because of the 20cm of snow and ice garnishing my area so now i guess ill get a pair o snow pants and start winter training.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 23, 2007, 01:04:26 PM
Yeah, I'd rather not make you revisit such memories.  Again, I'm sorry you had this experience...

But while we're on the subject, how were those "frostbiter" shoes?  I love New Balance and have found no other shoe yet that works for me the same or fits quite as well.  I did some online research and found there's a woman's version:
http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7350346/c/9436.html

Trouble is, I don't have $100 just laying around.  I don't even have $30 to burn, actually.  Or $10.  *sigh*

Still, with Christmas around the corner, I'm wondering if these shoes would be worth mentioning to family and friends.  What did you think of them in terms of winter training?  (But I suppose that's more a question that falls under "consumer whores.")

I wasn't one of the performers, but the nail-things that went into the shoes were badly placed.  Basically, one of them was RIGHT underneath the ball of your foot, exactly where you want your landings to be.  Theoretically, this is good because you'll need a lot of grip there, but what ended up happening was that the threaded screwhole (made of steel) would dig into your foot at a critical pressure point.  Even if you didn't screw in the nails, the screwhole hurt like a bitch.  Probably good for standard hiking in icy environments, but definitely not for Parkour or even running.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: bikket on November 24, 2007, 12:57:29 PM
Animus, help me out: I just watched the trailer and I didn't notice anything reckless.  Was there anything on there that oughtta raise a flag?  I'm genuinely curious, because I am officially only four months into the discipline as a study and I've never seen parkour done live (I'm the only one I know in WayUpstate NY), so  not catching what I should be seeing here.  Looks like what I do when I'm waiting for my tip-up's to flag.  If I'm making their mistakes, I don't wanna.  I've been so confident and now you've got me worried about myself!

My view on the topic as a whole: before I heard of pk this summer, I called this stuff "goofing off."  I never had a season for goofing off though.  Winter time was a time to goof off in snowshoes, that's all.  Bear in mind that I live in the Adirondack Mountains and spend a lot of time "out there," and that I idolize squirrels (the best parkour tutors a fella could ask for) the way most APKers seem to idolize ninja, so I'm rarely training near concrete.  But my point is that weather is sometimes also an obstacle, and our focus ought to be to overcome it.  If you can find a way to train safely, I think it's worth it to persevere.  You are bound to learn something, even if it involves stripping down your technique to three or four fundamental movements as you did when you began on dry ground.  That's my overpriced 2 cents.

                Regarding Clothing:

DO NOT WEAR COTTON!!  Sweats, hats, shirts, socks, sweatbands- anything.  For those who don't know, cotton will make you very cold when it becomes wet (and training will make you sweat and sweating will make your clothes wet- duh) and has been known to freeze and cause frostbite and hypothermia- both dangerous and life threatening problems.  "Cotton kills" is the primary winter outing axiom among professional outdoor guides- like me.  Even blended fabric with more than 10% cotton should be avoided, including socks and "waffle" style long underwear.   Wool is best if your skin will tolerate it, and most synthetics (polypropylene, EMS's bergelelene, spandex, even polyester) are awesome.  Merino wool is great and doesn't itch like the real stuff- my favorite winter athletic sock choice, but you need to make sure your foot isn't slipping around in your shoe when your socks are not cotton.  Also, make sure your shell layer is breathable, or you will saturate faster than these fabrics will wick, and you will freeze your arse off regardless.  Anyone may pm me with specific questions if they want.  I'm supposed to charge, but the APK world gets me for free as long as nobody tells my boss. :D
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 24, 2007, 03:19:38 PM
bikket, contact me privately.  Also, are you sure Zach isn't somewhere near you?  He lives in Rochester.  I'm not sure where you are, but I thought that was pretty upstate, since he's near the Canadian border.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 24, 2007, 10:01:31 PM
Animus, help me out: I just watched the trailer and I didn't notice anything reckless.  Was there anything on there that oughtta raise a flag?  I'm genuinely curious, because I am officially only four months into the discipline as a study and I've never seen parkour done live (I'm the only one I know in WayUpstate NY), so  not catching what I should be seeing here.  Looks like what I do when I'm waiting for my tip-up's to flag.  If I'm making their mistakes, I don't wanna.  I've been so confident and now you've got me worried about myself!

My view on the topic as a whole: before I heard of pk this summer, I called this stuff "goofing off."  I never had a season for goofing off though.  Winter time was a time to goof off in snowshoes, that's all.  Bear in mind that I live in the Adirondack Mountains and spend a lot of time "out there," and that I idolize squirrels (the best parkour tutors a fella could ask for) the way most APKers seem to idolize ninja, so I'm rarely training near concrete.  But my point is that weather is sometimes also an obstacle, and our focus ought to be to overcome it.  If you can find a way to train safely, I think it's worth it to persevere.  You are bound to learn something, even if it involves stripping down your technique to three or four fundamental movements as you did when you began on dry ground.  That's my overpriced 2 cents.

                Regarding Clothing:

DO NOT WEAR COTTON!!  Sweats, hats, shirts, socks, sweatbands- anything.  For those who don't know, cotton will make you very cold when it becomes wet (and training will make you sweat and sweating will make your clothes wet- duh) and has been known to freeze and cause frostbite and hypothermia- both dangerous and life threatening problems.  "Cotton kills" is the primary winter outing axiom among professional outdoor guides- like me.  Even blended fabric with more than 10% cotton should be avoided, including socks and "waffle" style long underwear.   Wool is best if your skin will tolerate it, and most synthetics (polypropylene, EMS's bergelelene, spandex, even polyester) are awesome.  Merino wool is great and doesn't itch like the real stuff- my favorite winter athletic sock choice, but you need to make sure your foot isn't slipping around in your shoe when your socks are not cotton.  Also, make sure your shell layer is breathable, or you will saturate faster than these fabrics will wick, and you will freeze your arse off regardless.  Anyone may pm me with specific questions if they want.  I'm supposed to charge, but the APK world gets me for free as long as nobody tells my boss. :D


Adirondack Mountains?  Anywhere near Capital Region or *furthest* Lake George? If so then I'd love to meet with you. I'll be home for another week before I head back west out to Rochester.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Gregg HIPK on November 25, 2007, 02:53:24 PM
Hawaiian weather varies depending on the island, season, and wind direction. Some places get 400+ inches of rain in a year, and others that get 10. I live in a drier area, but even here, we sometimes get a 3" rainfall in one day.

I lived in snow and ice most of my life. Even if "White" was a dangerous and stupid project, you still need to be able to learn how to move quickly in those conditions without slipping, falling, and hurting yourself.

A thin layer of snow over rock or ice is NOT soft. Don't be fooled. Experiment some place safe, especially at the beginning of the season when you're not used to it.

After the first snow fall, we used to drive at empty parking lots, do donuts, skid, try to recover, etc. I think the same principle would be helpful for PK. All the normal 'look before you leap', 'check your surfaces', rules apply. Start small, build up slowly. Just because you can do a drop, jump or move when it's dry, doesn't mean you can or should do it in bad conditions.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: bikket on November 27, 2007, 05:20:48 AM
bikket, contact me privately.  Also, are you sure Zach isn't somewhere near you?  He lives in Rochester.  I'm not sure where you are, but I thought that was pretty upstate, since he's near the Canadian border.
Will do.  Rochester is about three 1/2 to four hours south of me.

Adirondack Mountains?  Anywhere near Capital Region or *furthest* Lake George? If so then I'd love to meet with you. I'll be home for another week before I head back west out to Rochester.
Split my time between Saratoga and Lake George, so yeah, drop a line to bikket@yahoo.  It would be fcking great to learn from a real person! 

Hawaiian weather varies depending on the island, season, and wind direction. Some places get 400+ inches of rain in a year, and others that get 10. I live in a drier area, but even here, we sometimes get a 3" rainfall in one day.

I lived in snow and ice most of my life. Even if "White" was a dangerous and stupid project, you still need to be able to learn how to move quickly in those conditions without slipping, falling, and hurting yourself.

A thin layer of snow over rock or ice is NOT soft. Don't be fooled. Experiment some place safe, especially at the beginning of the season when you're not used to it.

After the first snow fall, we used to drive at empty parking lots, do donuts, skid, try to recover, etc. I think the same principle would be helpful for PK. All the normal 'look before you leap', 'check your surfaces', rules apply. Start small, build up slowly. Just because you can do a drop, jump or move when it's dry, doesn't mean you can or should do it in bad conditions.
Yes!  We call that "controlled skidding," and it improves ones winter driving skills/ skid recovery by a freakin' huge margin.  I love the idea of applying that to parkour!  Great point man!
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 27, 2007, 06:22:11 AM
controlled skidding is a great precision technique to learn, whether it be in your car or on your feet! just remeber, if you do it in your car, make sure it's in a big, wide, empty, open parking lot. ;)
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 27, 2007, 11:03:26 AM

Will do.  Rochester is about three 1/2 to four hours south of me.


Split my time between Saratoga and Lake George, so yeah, drop a line to bikket@yahoo.  It would be fcking great to learn from a real person! 



Ah, I wouldn't have minded making the 25 minute drive up to Saratoga. But I'm headed back out to Rochester this Friday. If you ever feel like coming out for a weekend to learn and experience a jam I'm sure we could arrange something. Other than that I'll be back in the area for Christmas time.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: hardcoretraceur on November 27, 2007, 01:44:06 PM
shoot me a pm or im me at hardcoretraceur
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Zachary Cohn on November 28, 2007, 10:01:13 AM
I'm Zac, by the way... Animus- Sometime's it's better to use handles or "name/handle" when people don't know everyone by name. :)

Bikket- ChadManX and I train in Rochester during the school year. During the.. not.. school year.. I go back home to MD, but you should definitely drop us a line/pm/email/IM. I always love meeting/training with new people.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on November 28, 2007, 11:02:28 AM
Yeah, I generally don't even consider the handles anymore after I learn someone's name really well.  I see "happydud" and I read "Zach;" "Faelcind" becomes "Rafe"; "LeoNn" is.. uh... Leon.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 28, 2007, 11:45:25 AM
I'm Zac, by the way... Animus- Sometime's it's better to use handles or "name/handle" when people don't know everyone by name. :)

Bikket- ChadManX and I train in Rochester during the school year. During the.. not.. school year.. I go back home to MD, but you should definitely drop us a line/pm/email/IM. I always love meeting/training with new people.

It's looking like a snowy week for Rochester...when you coming back?
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: mrjack1112000 on November 29, 2007, 07:00:04 AM
dude, just  use the snow to your advantage. if there was a drop you were scared to do in summer, try it in winter. conquer your fears, and prepare for your next run in summer.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: KC Parsons on November 29, 2007, 02:44:38 PM
Two Words: Under Armor.
I'm no expert in winter training, and I haven't been a traceur for longer than 3-4 months, but I can say from personal experience that this stuff has helped so much. It keeps you well insulated. Just wearing it doesn't protect from cold more than regular clothes would, but while training and exercise, you generate so much body heat, which the UA keeps in. Amazing stuff, I'd recommend it to everyone.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Gregg HIPK on November 29, 2007, 03:31:58 PM
What you wear will depend on conditions, where you're going, and how long you'll be out. If you're just running 40' to the mailbox, and it's calm, no snow and 30 F, you can get by with a lot less than if you're heading into the mountains. Why be stupid and uncomfortable, though? Sure, you can run around in a blizzard wearing only a loincloth if you want. If you do stupid things, realize there are consequences.

If you are training in a cold environment for the first time, learn how to layer. You need your body to be warm enough that it functions efficiently, but not so hot that you're sweating a lot. There's plenty of info out there. Read it. Experiment in a safe place before you head out to the boonies.

Snow piles are not always soft. It depends where you live, how it's been packed, what the day and night temps have been like. A ten foot drop onto rock, and a ten foot drop onto rock covered with an inch of powder -- both will hurt.

If you're scared to do a drop, it's usually because there's something wrong. You probably haven't trained enough, or the conditions are bad, or your body is saying "You're not ready for this, yet." Find out what you can easily do, without fear, and move slowly from there. "Be strong to be useful" - you're not strong or useful if you're injured.





Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Muhammad on November 29, 2007, 11:01:30 PM
i used to live in chicago and toronto. both are northern cities located on the shores of the great lakes. it gets extremely cold in either location. i learned something very valuable about how to deal with that kind of weather. it's called layering. you put on layers of clothing.
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Charles Moreland on November 30, 2007, 01:15:36 PM
i used to live in chicago and toronto. both are northern cities located on the shores of the great lakes. it gets extremely cold in either location. i learned something very valuable about how to deal with that kind of weather. it's called layering. you put on layers of clothing.

MYTH!!!  I CALL MYTH!!!

it's cold, brb, gonna put on a sweater     :P
Title: Re: My Parkour Season Is Officially Over
Post by: Pfflyeers on December 02, 2007, 07:13:46 PM
Hey vVTalonVv i live in jersey to what town do you live in and what county maybe we could train sometime ok?Oh i live in bergen county by a town called lodi.