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Title: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Asa Liebmann on December 17, 2005, 09:17:02 AM
I'm typing this post in response to the apparent confusion of people in this forum when it comes to techniques in Parkour. To the casual observer, traceurs do "moves" to pass obstacles. A common misconception arises from this: that Parkour is a collection of "moves", and that there is a list of "Parkour moves" that, when preformed, are Parkour.

Individual techniques are not what makes up Parkour. Instead, it is your mindset that determines whether or not your actions are within the realm of Parkour. Without the correct intent, these movements are not being used for Parkour. This is what separates Parkour from other activities, the purposefulness.

There is no list that encompasses all motions that can be used in Parkour. This being said, there ARE some movements that are especially useful that many traceurs use as a base skill set in Parkour. These techniques are used very often because of their versatility and effectivness. These include the saut de chat (kong), saut de bras (cat leap), breakfalls, demi tour (turn vault), tic-tac, and passe muraille (wall climb) , among others.

However, as I said before, none of these movements are Parkour in and of themselves. Picture two cardboard boxes. One is filled with books, while the other contains nothing but air. At first glance, to the average observer, the boxes will be appear to be identical. Similarly, unless filled by the proper purpose, these techniques which would appear the same, are simply empty "moves".
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: LockDown on December 17, 2005, 12:19:04 PM
very good analogy.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Steez on December 17, 2005, 02:33:47 PM
here! here!

this is a realization that took me some time to come to after i began 'doing parkour'

in addition to the great ideas in Pistolwhip's post, there is also the idea that when you go and drill kongs, or rolls, or whatever you are drilling, you are not 'doing parkour', or 'practicing parkour', you are 'practicing FOR parkour'

we practice our movements so that when we do parkour, we don't need to think, or concentrate on the individual moves.  they become simple 'tools' to 'go that way,' as opposed to 'tricks' to 'flow that way'
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: SovXietday on December 19, 2005, 12:19:39 PM
*Thumbs up*

Awesome job. :)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Flippusmn on December 19, 2005, 02:35:12 PM
Haha thats deep man.
Hope that everyone will come here for that view. :)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: michiganparkour on December 19, 2005, 07:05:27 PM
i like it..easy to understand....good job with the analogy
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: klaymen on December 21, 2005, 08:44:55 PM
very nice. hey, do you mind if i post this somewhere else (giving credit to you of course)?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Asa Liebmann on December 22, 2005, 01:36:03 PM
Of course, thanks for asking. Where are you planning to repost?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: klaymen on December 22, 2005, 01:37:47 PM
a myspace group
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Michael Zernow on January 04, 2006, 08:12:30 AM
Definite applause on that one Asa, i wish we could just take this and show it to people and say: "HEY, look at this. NOW"
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Asa Liebmann on January 04, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Frosti, we can! At least that's what I've been doing. The only hard part is stapling their eyelids open. :-)

Seriously though, the message that many sites send to traceurs is either mixed, diluted with masses of misinformation, or just plain incorrect. This site has been doing pretty well with keeping people supplied with the truth, in the forum as well as the site content, and it's my pleasure to supplement that :-)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: mkerunner on January 09, 2006, 11:20:11 AM
I'd say that definitly goes with the statement of athletics in general being 20% physical and 80% mental. Very good write up btw.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Josh Klute on January 10, 2006, 05:42:52 PM
You definitely know what you are talking about (Asa), thanks for putting your write up in terms that we can all understand ;).  I definitely agree with you, parkour is all about combining the different "moves" in a way that helps you to move fluidly throught the environment around you.  Just a single move doesn't accomplish that much, I think thats why people that just happen to see a bunch of kids jumping around think of it as "delinquent activity".  When you combine a series a moves, not only does it look better, but anyone watching can actually begin to see the purpose of all the random movements. 
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: jmanndriver on January 26, 2006, 12:24:13 PM
yeah i was practicing for parkour by jumping off of a 8ft shed t a church and i got in trouble with the cops so i cant go there anymore. but i do live in the suburbs. asa i had been getting a lot of mixed messages about parkour but now i fell like i am walking in a straight line now. i know the purpose of parkour.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Unique on January 27, 2006, 04:48:19 PM
nice point
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: The Fallen on January 31, 2006, 08:43:08 PM
I think APK has helped alot of traceurs get back on the meaning of parkour. Good post Asa!   ;D
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: RhayneD on February 24, 2006, 11:44:21 AM
Nicely put, Asa. I have to agree with the others, great analogy.

However, I have a question... or two.

You mentioned in your explanation and clarification that Kong's and other moves are used as a basic skillset. What if I feel that a certain "move," for instance the Kong or dash, is not efficient for me and I only drill them every once in a while. If I still have the same mindset of Parkour when actually DOING Parkour, but I don't use dashes or Kong's in the process, does that mean I'm NOT "doing" Parkour when the time comes?

I think I just confused myself a bit with that question, but I hope you can see what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Gearsighted on February 24, 2006, 04:45:15 PM
Nope, you're spot-on. If a certain movement isn't the best way for YOU to overcome an obstacle, then it's not Parkour, as much as it may be a "standard" movement used by a majority of the Traceurs. The moves themselves are a foundation from which you find your body's most effective methods of moving over, around and through whatever obstacle may be in your intended path. If Kongs don't necessarily work for you, there are plenty of other ways to get where you're going :D

Asa, we might use this once we get our tutorial articles up and running on the main site. We had something similar written up, but it's always nice to get as much of the community involved with the content as possible, and you worded it perfectly :D
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Ryan Ford on February 24, 2006, 05:04:43 PM
but adding on to what gear said, just because it doesnt work best for you doesnt mean it cant work best for you through practice and repetition. there are some general movements that are definately better than others if you have them mastered.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Gearsighted on February 24, 2006, 06:20:32 PM
Damn straight, very good point. Don't use that fact as an excuse to put-off training something that may be extremely functional. Nice catch Demon :D
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: psycosis12 on March 16, 2006, 05:18:54 PM
well i gave you a cool click for that, your absolutely right about that too.............man, that was deep
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Corndogg on March 20, 2006, 08:55:52 PM
word and word.  more peeps need to learn this for sure.  my biggest worry about PK in the US is that it catches on as some "X-treme sport" on ESPN2 or something, so the more traceurs keep this in mind, the better!
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: DistortedTruth on June 08, 2006, 02:21:32 PM
Well, thank you Asa.  That clears up a misconception that I myself had.  Thank you.  I shall not look at it that way anymore.  Good analogy btw.  It helps a beginner learn how to look at Parkour.  (Like me).
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Trip56 on July 08, 2006, 09:33:52 PM
Corndogg, I think that if parkour does end up on ESPN2, it will probably be under a different name. And not to be obvious, but parkour isn't a competition. It's good that parkour gets some media exposure, but when mainstream dilutes it into what they want, we're screwed.

Back on topic, I personally think that it's good to have a "base" set of moves in parkour. Say you're coming up to an obstacle that you haven't encountered before and you don't want to stop, you already have a pretty good idea of what you're going to do and you won't hurt yourself anywhere near as bad because you have already practiced a technique to overcome it.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: colin jensen on August 04, 2006, 08:36:15 PM
this is true trip however you shouldnt be limited to things you have only done in training. if theres a more eficient way to overcome it that you havent tried try it anyway.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Dr. Unoriginal on December 04, 2006, 04:46:36 AM
Corndogg, I think that if parkour does end up on ESPN2, it will probably be under a different name. And not to be obvious, but parkour isn't a competition. It's good that parkour gets some media exposure, but when mainstream dilutes it into what they want, we're screwed.

Back on topic, I personally think that it's good to have a "base" set of moves in parkour. Say you're coming up to an obstacle that you haven't encountered before and you don't want to stop, you already have a pretty good idea of what you're going to do and you won't hurt yourself anywhere near as bad because you have already practiced a technique to overcome it.
Who cares if the sport is dilluted by the media? How does that effect what the individual can do in the sport.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Joe Ramos on December 04, 2006, 11:34:49 AM
Quote
Who cares if the sport is dilluted by the media? How does that effect what the individual can do in the sport.

Well the problem with it being diluted by the media is that everyone will stop looking at the mental part of it. If it goes on espn2 then people will think "o hey i can do that" jump a fence and think they are "doing parkour" if this goes on for long enough parkour will really cease to exist and we will have another event for X games or something like that. If you want to think of the big picture, after we are all gone, and this espn2 rehash of something great has been around for some time, people wont know what it was we were really doing. We will be looked at as "skateboarding without a board" and something that used to have a lot of meaning will be dead. in its place will be something that wants to be parkour but never will and its just messing up peoples perspective of it... phew whata rant
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Joey Marion on January 09, 2007, 06:23:34 PM
great analogy. it kind of puts a different perspective on pk. I am fairly new. + karma for you
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: crazyted on January 17, 2007, 11:10:45 AM
exactly!
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Chris [.5gibbon] Stevenson! on March 31, 2007, 12:39:55 PM
perfect!    this entire thread hits the nail right on the head,  many times. ;D
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: analog.anarchy on April 01, 2007, 08:21:57 PM
i really agree with trip here. on espn it would definately go under freerunning and the effiency roots would be ignored. thats all my thoughts on that.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: jamminb0111 on April 04, 2007, 05:38:59 PM
I reall wonder what professional freerunning would look like. would they have a set of obstacles or like an obstacle course
 :-\
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Hunter Neiblum on April 14, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
I reall wonder what professional freerunning would look like. would they have a set of obstacles or like an obstacle course
 :-\
I sure hope there isn't such a thing, I hope this sport never turns into a competitive sport or a finanshal one either!

just a thought
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on April 19, 2007, 12:08:09 PM
I'm typing this post in response to the apparent confusion of people in this forum when it comes to techniques in Parkour. To the casual observer, traceurs do "moves" to pass obstacles. A common misconception arises from this: that Parkour is a collection of "moves", and that there is a list of "Parkour moves" that, when preformed, are Parkour.

Individual techniques are not what makes up Parkour. Instead, it is your mindset that determines whether or not your actions are within the realm of Parkour. Without the correct intent, these movements are not being used for Parkour. This is what separates Parkour from other activities, the purposefulness.

There is no list that encompasses all motions that can be used in Parkour. This being said, there ARE some movements that are especially useful that many traceurs use as a base skill set in Parkour. These techniques are used very often because of their versatility and effectivness. These include the saut de chat (kong), saut de bras (cat leap), breakfalls, demi tour (turn vault), tic-tac, and passe muraille (wall climb) , among others.

However, as I said before, none of these movements are Parkour in and of themselves. Picture two cardboard boxes. One is filled with books, while the other contains nothing but air. At first glance, to the average observer, the boxes will be appear to be identical. Similarly, unless filled by the proper purpose, these techniques which would appear the same, are simply empty "moves".

I feel the same way!  This is why I can't bring my self to "do a move" just because, for the hell of it.  I mean, why, if it's out of my way or inefficient or impractical?  I'm going from A-to-B, not stopping to leap over a random wall that's not in my immediate intended path...
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Gregg HIPK on April 24, 2007, 01:53:59 PM
I know there are times I've changed my path just to jump some extra railings. Just for fun. Does that mean my mindset has changed from PK to freerunning for that extra ten feet? Probably.

There's a whole thread on competition. Check it out.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Alissa J. Bratz on May 24, 2007, 08:33:08 PM
Just to back up Asa's original point:

This is very true for a lot of disciplines. In martial arts, for example, you do tons of stance drills, kicking and punching drills, and forms. You practice them over and over until they are in your muscle memory and mind and heart. However, when you use your martial arts in competition or some other situation, you don't do the forms and drills; you just do what you need to do as the situation calls for it.

To draw another analogy, ballet is the same thing. I can walk into any ballet class anywhere in the world and know what to expect. We will do barre exercises, and they will go in a specific order; and then we will dance in the centre and those exercises will go in a specific order. However, this is all in preparation for performance. No one does barre and centre on stage (no one would pay to see it!) However the idea is to train those movements so specifically and instinctively that the dancer can handle any choreography given for performance; and beyond that, can manage any sort of event that might happen in performance (e.g. a shoe breaking, a slippery spot on the floor, etc.) with grace and aplomb.

The training is not the art form; the training is the development of a toolbox with which to engage in the art form. Technique is the basis: you have to learn the rules to such precision and expertise that you can break them on the fly if the discipline asks it of you. However every movement comes from and returns to the technique you have spent weeks/months/years developing.

I can only perform "Snow" in my ballet company's "Nutcracker," dancing for a mere 6 minutes, because I have trained for over 20 years on an daily basis to develop the muscle memory and physical experience necessary to get me through that 6 minutes. There is so much that happens "invisibly" behind what is seen on the surface. What the audience sees is the *result* of those 20+ years, but not those 20 years' training. What's happened inside those studio walls, behind the theatre, is between me, my body, my teachers, and my artistic director. I consider it all to be ballet, but there is a significant difference between a dancer who has only class/technical experience, and a dancer who also has performance experience. IMO, the former is missing a substantial component of the art form.

Two thumbs up for Asa. :)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Powell on June 11, 2007, 01:04:27 PM
I've been following this topic and reading the posts, thanks people a lot of insight here.  I'd have to say with moves and parkour, the moves aren't the goal: parkour is.  The moves; kongs, muscle ups; they are the means to the end, with the end being parkour.  And hey, after all, the point is to have fun and get from point A to point B.  How you do it is your decision.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Parkournoob99 on June 24, 2007, 07:28:45 AM
2 thumbs up, asa. if parkour ever gets bigger, alot of people would say "i can do that!" and then they do a monkey vault and faceplant.


would you mind posting it on UFF and other places such as myspace? thanks Asa,
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Muhammad on June 24, 2007, 07:50:51 AM
2 thumbs up, asa. if parkour ever gets bigger, alot of people would say "i can do that!" and then they do a monkey vault and faceplant.

Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPX_QAnQjZ0
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Tonyy on June 27, 2007, 09:51:10 AM
Well said!  :D
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Asa Liebmann on July 08, 2007, 10:13:31 PM
It's good to see how things are looking nowadays on APK, looks like people are learning very well! Any additions to the original post that you can think of?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: smackywentz on September 05, 2007, 09:00:53 PM
Wait. So is this the difference between parkour and free running?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Alissa J. Bratz on September 15, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
Wait. So is this the difference between parkour and free running?


Huh?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Streetviper on September 17, 2007, 06:59:00 AM
what?

In eithee disipline the idea id movement. Not Saut de Chat or presicion or Saut de Bras teh goal is to move hrough you renvironment unhindered. In PK the ide is to move unhindered to promote an efficent and direct path while in Free-running th eidea is to be completely free from the normal rules of movement this may include passing obstacles and utalizing movements that are not direct but more expressive of a personal style.

anyways back on topic.
  If Pk where to become an oraganized sports it woul dwithout a doubt be linked ot skating. it would also follow the same evolution
for example:
 1970's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y61IN8TeUKw
 Modern skate competiton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUydg4Z5uow&mode=related&search=

what's th eemphasis the Ride or the biggest trick?

in pk, what will be the message that we want to put out there? Skateing chose one of anti-authority and ego. What do you want to say?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Muhammad on September 17, 2007, 08:39:32 AM
That first video was taken in 07, not 70.. No one was pulling air or doing inverts in the 70's, and their boards were much smaller.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Muhammad on September 17, 2007, 09:01:16 AM
This is authentic 70's footage. (Notice the bell-bottoms flaring in the wind, the funny looking shoes, and pointy skateboards..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-0TXG-98mE
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: shinkoparkour777 on September 22, 2007, 04:02:18 PM
I didn't understand this at first when I started as well, but I eventually learned
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: John [sss24] Chadwell on November 10, 2007, 04:42:31 PM
this is OLD SCHOOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0K6lUm5ynw
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Muhammad on November 11, 2007, 12:12:52 AM
that's not oldschool. that movie was made within the last five years. looks like it would be fun to watch, but I think they over-glamorized the whole story.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Muhammad on November 11, 2007, 12:22:56 AM
check this one out. this is really old, and the skaters back in the day were just as obnoxious as the skaters of today ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFg_qAbqmL0&NR=1
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Ozzi on December 18, 2007, 04:09:59 PM
Nicely explained Asa,
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jay777 on January 31, 2008, 05:51:33 AM
Parkour is like martial arts, there are many different styles and techniques of each one, but martial arts usually have a common purpose of self-defense. Parkour's puposes differ, so there could as a result, a multitude of styles, and many techniques for each style.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Lachance on March 17, 2008, 01:41:34 PM
Well, personally, I believe in the definition of parkour, but there are some exceptions. I've seen people doing parkour, but I dont believe anyone does it specifically to get from point A to point B the fastest. I see lots of people kong vault and cat leap, etc. when they could've ran around something faster. Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't we have a definition change? ***I STILL LOVE PARKOUR***
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Adam McC on April 25, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
Well, personally, I believe in the definition of parkour, but there are some exceptions. I've seen people doing parkour, but I dont believe anyone does it specifically to get from point A to point B the fastest. I see lots of people kong vault and cat leap, etc. when they could've ran around something faster. Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't we have a definition change? ***I STILL LOVE PARKOUR***

Let me remind you, in parkour, the entire idea is to set a goal we can never reach, so that we perpetually improve. The goal of going in a direct line, A to B, is nearly impossible. I mean, look anywhere, and if you just go straight, sooner or later, probably sooner, you'll reach something you can't go over, (or under or through or whatever). But that's the idea. We train ourselves so that one day we can run in a straight line to our destination, the quickest path with the most ease. Sure, today, that's impossible. But I bet that's what you said about a pop vault the first day you saw it.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Alissa J. Bratz on June 18, 2008, 08:03:23 PM
The quickest way around most obstacles is to just run past them. However there may come a situation where you can't just run past, and have to go over or under or through. Running is easier than vaulting or doing an underbar, say, so we train those movements in addition to running so we can be prepared for any situation. The odds of us needing to vault something to escape or reach are smaller than the odds of us needing to just run, but vaulting something will save our bacon if/when the situation presents itself, and then we'll be glad we trained vaults. :)

The first 1/3 or so of TK17's "Pilgrimage" video explains this very nicely.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: KC Parsons on November 05, 2008, 08:07:13 AM
It's just developing and improving one's own biomechaniical movement...
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: David Boyle on November 26, 2008, 08:55:29 AM
I really pay attention to driving my right hand through my legs and tucking my head into my left armpit....w/ full explosion.  Doing it like that you should just roll on the meaty portion of your shoulder.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: TomatoKings on December 05, 2008, 11:36:38 AM
i Can't do Muscle ups ??? I have to do more strenght or have to learn the Techinque?? Please Tell the Technique and I'll test it and if that doesnät work I should do more strenght!
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Lysander on April 11, 2009, 11:16:25 AM
The quickest way around most obstacles is to just run past them. However there may come a situation where you can't just run past, and have to go over or under or through. Running is easier than vaulting or doing an underbar, say, so we train those movements in addition to running so we can be prepared for any situation. The odds of us needing to vault something to escape or reach are smaller than the odds of us needing to just run, but vaulting something will save our bacon if/when the situation presents itself, and then we'll be glad we trained vaults. :)

The first 1/3 or so of TK17's "Pilgrimage" video explains this very nicely.

Exactly. Whenever we need to get from A - B in an attempt to escape, which isn't really likely to happen, vaulting something to escape will save your ass. I.E: The person chasing you is faster than you, but isn't as AGILE as you, (not being able to vault, cat lead, etc:) use Parkour to escape. Just running straight ahead will eventually lead to your downfall. Or if you need to get to the hospital and have no other means of transportation, pop vaulting that wall will get you there faster than going up the stairs. This happened to me once when I got bitten by a rabid dog.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Adam McC on April 13, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
i Can't do Muscle ups ??? I have to do more strenght or have to learn the Techinque?? Please Tell the Technique and I'll test it and if that doesnät work I should do more strenght!

Wrong topic but yes you need more strength.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Chase B. on April 27, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
If any of yal want more info u could check out the philosophy of parkour by Jesse Woody under the welcome to americanparkour topic as soon as u get to the forum page
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jon on June 01, 2009, 03:13:52 PM
excelent point
Parkour isnt defined by a strict set of set in stone motions in my opinion parkour is one of the most highly variable "sport"                     (can i call it that?) its like dancing just way WAY cooler in my opinion its about flow and havin a good time while developing a way awsome skill that actually usefull**cough cough unlike badminton cough cough*** srry to any badminton fanatics out there
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Seung-hyun Cha on June 22, 2009, 02:05:56 AM
**cough cough unlike badminton cough cough*** srry to any badminton fanatics out there

HA +1
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Adam McC on June 28, 2009, 08:00:40 AM
Hey man. You never know when a ping pong ball with a skirt on is going to fly your way.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jerald Donald Konkel on July 01, 2009, 08:51:11 PM
This really opened my eyes.... Now when go to the Park, I'll say: "I'm going to Practice FOR Parkour" Adding one word changes everything.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Christian McLaurin on July 20, 2009, 08:55:01 PM
Well seeing as i now realize that when i thought i was going out to practice parkour i'm actually practicing FOR parkour, when exactly will i be practicing (or doing) parkour?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Dekudude on July 21, 2009, 10:09:58 AM
Well seeing as i now realize that when i thought i was going out to practice parkour i'm actually practicing FOR parkour, when exactly will i be practicing (or doing) parkour?

Practicing FOR parkour is when you hang out at a park and just practice vaults, or rolls, et cetera. The actual parkour is when you are trying to get somewhere as quickly, and efficiently, as possible, be it to rescue your cousin from drowning, to outrun some thug who wants to mug you, or to get to work if you slept past the alarm clock.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Christian McLaurin on July 21, 2009, 06:55:47 PM
Okay, just making sure. So does that mean i am only doing parkour when there is a crisis? What if I am just challenging myself for speed?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Dekudude on July 21, 2009, 07:21:37 PM
Okay, just making sure. So does that mean i am only doing parkour when there is a crisis? What if I am just challenging myself for speed?

In my opinion, that is parkour too. As long as you are trying to get somewhere as quickly, and efficiently, as possible, it's parkour. If you are just jumping around a local playground though, it isn't.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Brandan Mendenhall on July 23, 2009, 07:58:22 AM
Okay, just making sure. So does that mean i am only doing parkour when there is a crisis? What if I am just challenging myself for speed?

In my opinion, that is parkour too. As long as you are trying to get somewhere as quickly, and efficiently, as possible, it's parkour. If you are just jumping around a local playground though, it isn't.

Care to elaborate? Why isn't that parkour?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Dekudude on July 23, 2009, 06:55:35 PM
'Cause you aren't getting from one place to another as quickly as possible. You're just running laps. (at least in my opinion, feel free to let me know if I'm wrong.)

If you're just playing around a playground, doing whatever you can to get around, that's good practice for parkour, but it's not getting you anywhere, or away from anywhere, in a timely manner. It's just preparing you for when you do.

Now, "parkour tag" is parkour, as you are running away from someone, or chasing someone, using the environment to your advantage. However, if you're practicing running up a wall, it isn't parkour... unless you utilize the wall run to get someone in a timely manner.

Does that make sense? It's more of an opinion sort of thing, but that's the way I see it. If you're practicing Krav Maga, it isn't Krav Maga... unless you are actually defending yourself. The practice is just intended to prepare yourself for when you actually need to defend yourself.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: zayn on September 04, 2009, 07:48:01 AM
i agree its only freerunning if u gtetfrom pt a to b in the least amount of time, as smoothly as possible. parkour tag aye...that sounds pretty fun
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Dekudude on September 05, 2009, 07:42:53 AM
i agree its only freerunning if u gtetfrom pt a to b in the least amount of time, as smoothly as possible. parkour tag aye...that sounds pretty fun

No, it's only PARKOUR if you get from A to B in the least amount of time, as smoothly as possible. Freerunning makes it pretty, but slows you down.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: zayn on September 17, 2009, 07:43:48 AM
i agree its only freerunning if u gtetfrom pt a to b in the least amount of time, as smoothly as possible. parkour tag aye...that sounds pretty fun

No, it's only PARKOUR if you get from A to B in the least amount of time, as smoothly as possible. Freerunning makes it pretty, but slows you down.
agreed
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Columbus PK on September 21, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
i guess im more oh a freerunner because i flip and stuff and incorperate that into my parkour. and try a game where u cant touch the ground and have to precision alot its hard lol
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: zayn on September 21, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
everyone has played that game :) i called it lava when i was little
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Columbus PK on September 21, 2009, 03:39:27 PM
i remeber doing that when i was little too i just didnt know i was working parour into that
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: zayn on September 22, 2009, 04:59:38 AM
i remeber doing that when i was little too i just didnt know i was working parour into that
hahaha. missed spelled parkour. but yea thats insane isnt it.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Columbus PK on September 22, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
PARKOUR PARKOUR PARKOUR!!!!! lol that better
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: zayn on September 22, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
PARKOUR!!! thats better  ;)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Travis S on December 17, 2009, 09:53:13 PM
Point A: Building door. Point B: Picnic Table. Goal: To sit down. Path: Run up high in straight line. - Parkour
Point A: Picnic table side 1. Point B: Picnic table side 2. Goal: Make room on side 1 for friends. Path: Vault over picnic table.

Wait, so wasn't vaulting over the picnic table the most efficient path in that scenario? Your point A and B don't have to be great distances apart. Wouldn't doing parkour mean being able to get over the picnic table in the most efficient way possible? And if so, wouldn't that require a traceur to have a bag of tricks at his disposal to manipulate to the situation? And if he hadn't drilled those specific movements would he feel comfortable in choosing one? Why isn't practicing specific movements parkour? If they are the most efficient way to move over an obstacle and will be applicable in the future, they are a great addition to your abilities and integral to your practice of parkour in the future. Individual objects present as much potential for the application of parkour as do the linkages of many. Actually, you need to feel very comfortable in surpassing single objects to be able to get over many in a row. I don't see the obsession with what to call parkour practicing, why not call it practicing parkour, you are learning how to get over obstacles and hopefully correcting your movement each time to make it more efficient. This is parkour! You are moving efficiently and you set point A and B. To move in this way you need to know specific techniques and how to change them. So practice parkour, move efficiently and don't worry about always stringing everything together, that's not the only part of our discipline. Is a traceur not someone who does parkour? If you practice parkour and you move efficiently through the paths you choose, you're doing parkour my friend, even if point a and b are within feet of each other.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Mitch Rhoden on December 18, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Well the problem with it being diluted by the media is that everyone will stop looking at the mental part of it. If it goes on espn2 then people will think "o hey i can do that" jump a fence and think they are "doing parkour" if this goes on for long enough parkour will really cease to exist and we will have another event for X games or something like that. If you want to think of the big picture, after we are all gone, and this espn2 rehash of something great has been around for some time, people wont know what it was we were really doing. We will be looked at as "skateboarding without a board" and something that used to have a lot of meaning will be dead. in its place will be something that wants to be parkour but never will and its just messing up peoples perspective of it... phew whata rant

I would have to respectfully disagree. This is exactly what the skaters thought of the X-games, and it ended up being extremely positive for skateboarding in the end. I can see what you are saying, and i hate seeing youtube video after youtube video of kids doing monkey vaults over rails down 10 foot + drops. And it kinda sucks that that is direction many american kids are going with parkour, but as long as YOU are doing parkour the way YOU want to, nothing else really matters.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Deon on December 21, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
People don't practice FOR karate why practice for parkour? Why cant point A be one side of a fence and point B be the other?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jerald Donald Konkel on December 21, 2009, 08:06:03 PM
People don't practice FOR karate why practice for parkour? Why cant point A be one side of a fence and point B be the other?

Exactly..... and why can't point A and Point B be Situational.... as in :

Point A: being chased/ chasing
point B: get away/ catch

or

Point A: unsafe situation
Point B: Safe situation

the path we take and destination we get to doesn't matter.... as long as the Desired result is achieved.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Adam McC on December 21, 2009, 08:41:13 PM
Exactly..... and why can't point A and Point B be Situational.... as in :

Point A: being chased/ chasing
point B: get away/ catch

or

Point A: unsafe situation
Point B: Safe situation

the path we take and destination we get to doesn't matter.... as long as the Desired result is achieved.

I'm afraid I couldn't possibly disagree more, both figuratively and literally.

The path we take is everything. Figuratively, its all about that process that we take to become better. The only end we ever truly reach is death, if that's even a death.

Literally, going by a desired result mindset is a good way to get hurt and injured. Ends justify the means? No thank you.

Its all about the path. Efficient or not, a to b or b to a or a to z and back to j. Its a method of training in which we become better in whatever way we're aiming for. More fit, more able, more wise, more fun, more friends, whatever we're aiming for, that process that takes us to our perpetual goals is what I like. :)
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jerald Donald Konkel on December 21, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
I'm afraid I couldn't possibly disagree more, both figuratively and literally.

The path we take is everything. Figuratively, its all about that process that we take to become better. The only end we ever truly reach is death, if that's even a death.

Literally, going by a desired result mindset is a good way to get hurt and injured. Ends justify the means? No thank you.

Its all about the path. Efficient or not, a to b or b to a or a to z and back to j. Its a method of training in which we become better in whatever way we're aiming for. More fit, more able, more wise, more fun, more friends, whatever we're aiming for, that process that takes us to our perpetual goals is what I like. :)


I don't know what I was thinking..... I understand and totally agree with you..... (not being sarcastic) Its like one of those times where you say and do something then turn around and look at what you said and done and think to yourself..... "what was I thinking"

the "Ends justify the Means" point you brought up made me think that I sounded a little to much like a Sith.... when I am a Jedi, just got swayed to the dark side for a second there..... I have to be more mindful in the future.... 
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: BaptizedByFire on December 23, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
Point A: being chased/ chasing
point B: get away/ catch
or
Point A: unsafe situation
Point B: Safe situation

I think you were on to something here. Reading this, I can't help but think how unsafe is the situation? Life and Death? If this is the case, you'll have the adrenaline factor like when you hit a big jump for the first time, except multiply that by a thousand.
What it will boil down to is your technique. not technique(S). Knowing how to vault or roll is fine, but when your flight instinct is kicking in the only tool you'll be able to access is muscle memory. "A rookie does something until he gets it right. A pro does it until he can't get it wrong." -Don't remember who said it but he was smarter than me.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jerald Donald Konkel on December 24, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
I think you were on to something here. Reading this, I can't help but think how unsafe is the situation? Life and Death? If this is the case, you'll have the adrenaline factor like when you hit a big jump for the first time, except multiply that by a thousand.
What it will boil down to is your technique. not technique(S). Knowing how to vault or roll is fine, but when your flight instinct is kicking in the only tool you'll be able to access is muscle memory. "A rookie does something until he gets it right. A pro does it until he can't get it wrong." -Don't remember who said it but he was smarter than me.


well I remember David belle said.... "first just do it, next do it good, then do it good and fast,  now your a pro" ......or something along those lines

and yeah, I've been in a couple situations were I had adrenaline pumping and I did stuff where I look back now and think.... "where did those reflexes come from...." or "man did I run fast." but yea..... the technique i think is hard wired into our brains, in our ancestor memory.... we just don't exersise it enough for it to be natural..... but when that adrenaline kicks in somehow those instincts just "happen" without us thinking about it...... we should strive to attain that on command.... like you said.... into the muscle memory
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Vinh2012 on March 09, 2010, 04:01:46 PM

I don't know what I was thinking..... I understand and totally agree with you..... (not being sarcastic) Its like one of those times where you say and do something then turn around and look at what you said and done and think to yourself..... "what was I thinking"

the "Ends justify the Means" point you brought up made me think that I sounded a little to much like a Sith.... when I am a Jedi, just got swayed to the dark side for a second there..... I have to be more mindful in the future.... 

haha cue the "Vader" theme, but seriously though, i think it's more like you have a distance between two points and if you have the right mindset, the way to get from A to B just comes naturally. i'm pretty sure that's a key point of parkour.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: jtbrown121894 on May 18, 2010, 06:17:01 PM
Thanks for the aninaligy
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Raymond on May 28, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
Thank you, Asa. I finally fully understand what parkour is. I'm new and I feel like I need the training and basic understanding of all these movements before I'll aquire the ability to use them freely and instinctly.

Practice has to come first, right?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Austin"Yoshi" on June 07, 2010, 09:20:22 AM
loved it amazing anolagy :]
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: TheNewbIAm on June 09, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
omg i understand this you dont practice parkour parkour is a state of mind AHA
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: John Amos on August 19, 2010, 07:49:38 PM
Nice job with this post, everyone needs to check this out!
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Joe Brock on January 05, 2011, 01:09:19 AM
Not that it is any help...but this whole "what is parkour" thing makes me think of someone coming into a boxing class and saying that pushups aren't boxing.  What they're saying is totally valid, and also totally missing the point.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2011, 08:16:36 AM
ok, so i can do many vaults with my left hand on whatever im vaulting...... but not my right:(
any tips?
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Sheldon on November 01, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Hey, I'm new to this website. I would like to get some information on how to personally train my buddies. I created a parkour team and would like for them to learn the techniques at a reasonable rate. What should I do?

By the way, very good point dude.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jesse La Flair on November 14, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
11 of what I think are the best Parkour tutorials on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFlairParkour#grid/user/AC90ED58CDC8A748
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Nick Holmes on January 28, 2013, 05:15:53 PM
Not that it is any help...but this whole "what is parkour" thing makes me think of someone coming into a boxing class and saying that pushups aren't boxing.  What they're saying is totally valid, and also totally missing the point.

I like how this was put but I feel as though people are trying to desperately separate themselves from the knuckleheads jumping over a rock then yelling "Hardcore Parkour!".

( about to reference this http://www.takeflightapparel.com/blog/parkour-pure-vs-parkour-fun/ ) If you(original poster, Asa Liebmann) are talking about parkour Pure  then I get you, your feelings of getting you culture robbed is totally justified. If you're talking about parkour Fun it is the same as saying some kid in the street doing kick-flips isn't a skaterl. "Oh, you are doing the same things but you don't have the same mindset so what you're doing is different" this is how reading you post sounded like to me the second time, like a childish elitist. I'm sorry if I offend you but this is my opinion.

I honestly prefer freerunning.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Eric D on February 01, 2014, 06:54:12 AM
Similar to Golf, where cardigan movements done with correct timing constitute a swing. It isn't the movements that make a great swing but the smoothness and correct timing of those movements. Everyone's swing is different, because everyone has a different build. But most important is the mental side.
Parkour is like Golf in the fact that it is as much mental as it is physical, and both require the skillful navigation of an area strewn with obstacles. In Golf you advance your ball over and round the obstacles, whilst in Parkour you advance you body. But both require the mindset of "Destination or Bust",
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Jan-Su on August 01, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
I disagree slightly with the first post.

So if the moves just by themselves cannot be considered "Parkour", then what is it? What else could it possibly be called? And what is it that we beginners are doing?

Look, not everyone is just bursting with new ideas all the time. Some of us need a little more direction than just that, especially complete beginners. If practicing each individual PK move in the hopes to gain eventual mastery over them isn't "Parkour", then what are we doing? How would you suggest we train?

Not to mention we wouldn't be nearly that ready yet to just be coasting through an environment. The seasoned practitioner sees it as a playground, a canvas to try different media, a cooking pot to try different ingredients. But to the new person, it's just another way to get hurt.

One more caveat. I've noticed that the beginning of this thread is getting to be a full decade old and counting. I'm sure times and views must have since changed at least a little bit in those nearly 10+ years.
Title: Re: Techniques in Parkour
Post by: Gareth EE Field on August 31, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
It can be called 'training for Parkour,' or 'practicing Parkour techniques.' If you're in a batting cage, you're not playing baseball. Easy. Also, there's a big, huge, tremendous roof gap between doing a little improv flowetry and being unsafe. I know Asa, and I've never seen smoother moves, PK-ing or otherwise (wink!), and I'm pretty sure that he was concerned with two trends, the first of which being the obsession with tricks, and the second one being obsession with tricks. Totally different, I'll let you exercise some brain power.