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Title: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: JumpOff on February 01, 2007, 03:58:27 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRucoPPtnek


[language] may not be work safe...
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 01, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
poster is "BitchSlapAndi"

is this andi from .net?  the part that was lame was the end, when it gave an explanation of why flips are not parkour.   the video just said "because david says so" essentially.  no, the reason is because david defined parkour as [insert long-winded efficiency rant] and flips just happen to not fall under this umbrella except in this one case....(i do know of one, let's just not discuss this, though)

he essentially just made an appeal to authority argument, which is a logical fallacy.  he should have explained logically *why* flips do not meet the definition of parkour.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kurokaze on February 01, 2007, 05:08:04 PM
well actually flips are now a part of parkour, or rather parkour training according to a recent statement made by Jeff Belle
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Gearsighted on February 01, 2007, 06:04:18 PM
Steez, I'm going to assume that you're joking, because really the only logical discussion of this video would be along the lines of "BWAHAHAHAHA!"

Anything deeper or more-meaningful then that is overkill. Fun times  :P
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: whiteninja on February 01, 2007, 06:12:03 PM
This same thread was posted only a week ago. [Link.] (http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,3551.0.html)

Still funny though. (http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/23/icon_wacko.gif)
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on February 01, 2007, 06:35:39 PM
well actually flips are now a part of parkour, or rather parkour training according to a recent statement made by Jeff Belle

That really changes nothing.  I don't see why people are making a big deal of it.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: CyanideSoda on February 01, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
That was great. Funny vid. And as for what Jeff said. Who cares?
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 01, 2007, 08:40:59 PM
Steez, I'm going to assume that you're joking, because really the only logical discussion of this video would be along the lines of "BWAHAHAHAHA!"

Anything deeper or more-meaningful then that is overkill. Fun times  :P

your point is a good one.  i was watching the video with the "BWAHAHAHA" mindset until the very end....it was like a delicious morsel with a horrific aftertaste. 
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kurokaze on February 01, 2007, 09:05:32 PM
well actually flips are now a part of parkour, or rather parkour training according to a recent statement made by Jeff Belle

That really changes nothing.  I don't see why people are making a big deal of it.

i wasn't really trying to make a big deal of it, i was pointing it out.

personally, i think it IS a big deal now that its out there and has been set in stone where flipping lies in relation to parkour.

most people could have already figured it out, but i think now that Jeff said it, it'll help end some of the rediculous threads that go on forever about OMFG FLIPS ARE SOOOOO PARKOUR, not necessarily here so much, but every now and then the question arises.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: dak on February 01, 2007, 10:15:39 PM
omg, ima keep it straight. That vid had me bustin out laughing at 12 in the morning lol.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: bigninjapimp on February 02, 2007, 11:20:49 AM
well actually flips are now a part of parkour, or rather parkour training according to a recent statement made by Jeff Belle

Thats been the general consensius long before jeff belle said anyhing about it.

But they still arent parkour, because there is nothing really usefull about them.

I dont think andi made that video either, I think it was posted here awhile ago too...
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 02, 2007, 11:44:42 AM
I've always considered flips to be a crucial facet of parkour training in that they build your confidence and your own understanding of the human body's capabilities.  Only when you test your body on every level can you begin to understand your true potential.  On a personal level, learning to do flips and other acro skills have always benefited my parkour by giving me the confidence to attempt difficult skills that had previously scared me.  Whether or not someone thinks that flips are parkour, learning them will only benefit them on the path to being a more well rounded traceur.

I don't consider flips parkour, rather a useful training tool and an opportunity to gain confidence in your own body's abilities.  That is until someone proves to me that they can utilize a flip in a manner that makes it more efficient than other movements.

And back to the less serious discussion at hand, I love this video, absolutely hilarious!
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Chris [.5gibbon] Stevenson! on February 02, 2007, 01:51:40 PM
haha that was funny. ;D       as for the hole flips arn't parkour thing i think it all depends on how they are being used.  for example if you are just doing it for show or fun than it isn't parkour but if you are using them for training or for efficiency then it is parkour.       and tyler i think there are afew ways (but not many) in which a flip would be more efficient that other movements.  for example the fastest way to exit a window without enough head room to vault would be a dive, but you wouldn't want to land in a roll unless you are familiar with the ground below, so it would be best to do a diving front flip and end up on your feet.     also say there is a large shrub or bush that is alittle to tall to jump over and also has harsh ground around it. the most efficient way over it would also be a front flip because you couldn't use your hands to preform a valut.    but i think this has probably been said before and i am way off toppic. oops! ;D
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Unique on February 02, 2007, 02:39:53 PM
Very funny! ;D
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: John on February 04, 2007, 11:02:24 AM
Flips are not Parkour, period. yes, by doing flips and tricks you can train your body in many ways that can aid in Parkour, but when it come down to it, flips are not Parkour. It's like a lot of the leg exercises, they help you greatly in Parkour but they're not Parkour.

Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kurokaze on February 04, 2007, 11:42:15 AM
Flips are not Parkour, period. yes, by doing flips and tricks you can train your body in many ways that can aid in Parkour, but when it come down to it, flips are not Parkour. It's like a lot of the leg exercises, they help you greatly in Parkour but they're not Parkour.



i don't think anyone is really saying that they are, we're moreso talking about their effectiveness with parkour training/ conditioning.

Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 04, 2007, 02:09:51 PM
urban cat and tyler cochran make good points.  bush scenario=yes.

no movement is inherently parkour or not parkour.  it depends on the useage/scenario.  some movements are just more or less likely to be parkour.  well sliced video nonetheless.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: JumpOff on February 04, 2007, 04:52:40 PM
mmm, Steez, you are incorrect in some manner.   It does not depend on usage/scenario, but rather mentality.

Flips are not parkour, because they mentally are not effecient, compared to a jump or vault.  A flip takes extra effort and coordination, making it inefficient in terms of movement...movement that is parkour.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Chris [.5gibbon] Stevenson! on February 05, 2007, 03:23:23 PM
JOMR    i disagree.  there are sertain scenarios in which a flip would be much less challanging mentally and physically, especially if you practice them.  for instance in the bush scenario what would be more mentally and physically efficient a flip or trying to dig your way through a bush?  i personally would have no trouble with flipping it, but that is only because i accept flips as a very benificial(sp?) movement for parkour.    now i can see if someone is not capable of doing a flip how this would seem inefficient, however that is like saying    i can't do a speed vault thus they are inefficient.   all it means is everyone should spend some time and learn the basic flips because you may need to use one some day.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: JumpOff on February 05, 2007, 03:51:20 PM
But whats easier to learn? A flip or speed vault?
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Brian Belida on February 05, 2007, 03:56:42 PM
Please don't open up that can of worms Urban Cat. It's all in solid writing, front page of this site, DB's blog, etc. The fact that you cannot do a speed vault does not make it inefficient, it means your ability is lacking in that department. I think you'll find a lot more people can do a speed vault than flip, there's a reason for this.

Seriously, what's more efficient? Going straight over with a tap, or twirling through the air. If you need proof find two people, or one person other than yourself, find a rail or bush, and see who reaches 10 feet beyond the other side first; the guy who flips, or the guy who speed vaults. In this case it's faster as well.

EDIT: Yeah, what JOMR said.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Chris [.5gibbon] Stevenson! on February 05, 2007, 06:15:36 PM
point taken akh i'll shut up after this.   jomr  what is easeir to learn a speed valt or a dash, it doesnt matter , because they can both be just as efficient in different environments and scenerios. the fact that someone can't do a flip doesn't make it inefficient, it just means you should add it to your list just incase you are ever faced with a situation where a flip is needed.  now in my case i can flip much higher than i can vertically leap, so if there was a race between me and my clone and i flipped the bush and he tried a speed vault there would be no compitition because he wouldn't even make it over.  and im not saying i am anything special. i think anyone can flip higher that their verticle, but only if they take the time to practice flips as well as other parkour movements.  ok im thru  and i don't mean to be rude at all i just want you to realize that there isn't a specific list of which movements are parkour and which are not and you are never going to be completely prepaired for all environments and scenarios unless you consider flips as a possible movement.   
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 05, 2007, 06:57:17 PM
mmm, Steez, you are incorrect in some manner.   It does not depend on usage/scenario, but rather mentality.

Flips are not parkour, because they mentally are not effecient, compared to a jump or vault.  A flip takes extra effort and coordination, making it inefficient in terms of movement...movement that is parkour.

parkour is supposed to be useful, the philosophies behind parkour come from utilitarianism, so yes, the scenario and the usage do matter, and what you use in a given scenario expresses your mindset.  so yes 99.999% of the time flips are *not* parkour.  for me, they would never ever be because i cannot flip without pads, but the spiky-bush scenario has not been discounted. 

i have yet to see anyone speed vault a bush. 

the same people who try to claim that we shouldn't create a canonical list of movements to define parkour try to also define a clear-cut list of what is not parkour.  you can't have it both ways. it's saying that "parkour is the discipline of finding and traveling the most effective route through one's environment using the human body, if and only if that route does not include X movements" 

i just watched the movie again, and laughed some more (not at the movie, with it, good stuff).  pleasing media.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on February 05, 2007, 11:03:31 PM
Uh... what about diverolling the bush...?
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: dak on February 06, 2007, 04:56:26 PM
Uh... what about diverolling the bush...?

I was about to bring that up animus lol. beat me to it.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 06, 2007, 06:31:12 PM
Uh... what about diverolling the bush...?

for people who are good at flips and could theoretically utilize them (NOT me), for a tall bush/hedge flipping you can get a little higher (maybe, i wont stick to this claim), but you can spot your landing if you're not 100% sure of what's on the other side of the bush.  rocks+dive roll could=broken neck. 

in most cases, yes, dive-roll is superior.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 06, 2007, 06:37:34 PM
Yeah, I would definately go for a dive roll unless the ground on the other side was rock or concrete or if I was unsure of the landing I would much rather flip.  My dive rolls are pretty sketchy at times.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: dak on February 06, 2007, 07:23:41 PM
me being one who has broken my collar bone 3 times ( none parkour) dive rolls are kinda scary for me. Having to directly land on your shoulder into a roll specially from hight like over a bush makes me aim for a flip. But being one who doesn't like flips. i would still say dive roll
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on February 06, 2007, 10:37:33 PM
Uh... what about diverolling the bush...?

for people who are good at flips and could theoretically utilize them (NOT me), for a tall bush/hedge flipping you can get a little higher (maybe, i wont stick to this claim), but you can spot your landing if you're not 100% sure of what's on the other side of the bush.  rocks+dive roll could=broken neck. 

in most cases, yes, dive-roll is superior.

I don't know about you, but if I notice I'm going to be landing head-first into rocks, it's not hard for me to NOT diveroll and just land quadripedally.  I mean, it kinda hurts my hands, but... y'know.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: dak on February 06, 2007, 10:46:29 PM
Uh... what about diverolling the bush...?

for people who are good at flips and could theoretically utilize them (NOT me), for a tall bush/hedge flipping you can get a little higher (maybe, i wont stick to this claim), but you can spot your landing if you're not 100% sure of what's on the other side of the bush.  rocks+dive roll could=broken neck. 

in most cases, yes, dive-roll is superior.

yea, i mean if your forced into a situation were u must get over that bush with no time to check the area on the other side then theres no time for flips. Just dive roll and hope for the best.

I don't know about you, but if I notice I'm going to be landing head-first into rocks, it's not hard for me to NOT diveroll and just land quadripedally.  I mean, it kinda hurts my hands, but... y'know.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Mike "Pyro" Araujo on February 07, 2007, 12:11:37 AM
Well most of the time the branches on the top of the bush aren't that stiff and if your feet touched them they would bend...and if you had to jump over a bush(being chased or whatever) your first thought isn't going to be "ok flip over it" since it takes to much thinking. it's going to be holy crap i need to get away from this guy.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 07, 2007, 04:21:49 AM
Yeah, I changed my mind I probably wouldn't flip in an emergency situation because I would be too busy running straight through the bush  ;D
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: psycosis12 on February 07, 2007, 08:58:52 AM
LFMAO! That was the single most funny thing I have ever seen. Im not even kidding. Haha, nice work Gene.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 07, 2007, 04:09:39 PM
Yeah, I changed my mind I probably wouldn't flip in an emergency situation because I would be too busy running straight through the bush  ;D

you wouldn't, and i wouldn't, but for some people it could be the better option.  before i began doing parkour i would never think while running "go over this wall" but after training i would definately consider it.  and, panicing and ceasing to think while in an emergency situation will be a detriment.  if you think that maybe you couldn't keep a clear head while running, then *that's* what i'd be the most afraid of.

animus, i don't understand why if there's no time to check the other side then there's no time for a front tuck (if you're very good at them, i'm not).  BUT, i would rather be forced to re-adjust in mid-air with my feet below me than with my neck down.  if you freeze up it's better to be right side up. 

again, my main point is that we've come to this idea that we shouldn't make a list of movements that are parkour, but just include any movement that is the most effective way to get you from here to there as parkour.  but then, we turn around and say "except for THIS particular movement."   I think that this is a contradiction.  a flip is only parkour if it is the *most* effective option, and granted that wont be very often at all, but to make the claim that it will *never* be for everyone is false. 
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kurokaze on February 07, 2007, 04:17:05 PM
Yeah, I changed my mind I probably wouldn't flip in an emergency situation because I would be too busy running straight through the bush  ;D

you wouldn't, and i wouldn't, but for some people it could be the better option.  before i began doing parkour i would never think while running "go over this wall" but after training i would definately consider it.  and, panicing and ceasing to think while in an emergency situation will be a detriment.  if you think that maybe you couldn't keep a clear head while running, then *that's* what i'd be the most afraid of.

animus, i don't understand why if there's no time to check the other side then there's no time for a front tuck (if you're very good at them, i'm not).  BUT, i would rather be forced to re-adjust in mid-air with my feet below me than with my neck down.  if you freeze up it's better to be right side up. 

again, my main point is that we've come to this idea that we shouldn't make a list of movements that are parkour, but just include any movement that is the most effective way to get you from here to there as parkour.  but then, we turn around and say "except for THIS particular movement."   I think that this is a contradiction.  a flip is only parkour if it is the *most* effective option, and granted that wont be very often at all, but to make the claim that it will *never* be for everyone is false. 

well said steez
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 07, 2007, 07:56:47 PM
Man Steez I swear your writing the words straight out of my mind.  Right on bro

On a side note science and mathmatics have proven that the fastest route between two points is a straight line....so maybe we should focus our training on gaining the ability to run straight through any obstacle that may bar our path, kinda like the juggernaut, or focusing our mind powers to break up the molecules that compose our physical bodies allowing us to pass straight through anything? (<--------- This question was entirely sarcastic and was only stated in the attempt of making someone who reads it laugh)
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kurokaze on February 07, 2007, 08:04:44 PM
Man Steez I swear your writing the words straight out of my mind.  Right on bro

On a side note science and mathmatics have proven that the fastest route between two points is a straight line....so maybe we should focus our training on gaining the ability to run straight through any obstacle that may bar our path, kinda like the juggernaut, or focusing our mind powers to break up the molecules that compose our physical bodies allowing us to pass straight through anything? (<--------- This question was entirely sarcastic and was only stated in the attempt of making someone who reads it laugh)

or realize that you've watched/read X-men way too much.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 07, 2007, 08:48:37 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 07, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
Man Steez I swear your writing the words straight out of my mind.  Right on bro

On a side note science and mathmatics have proven that the fastest route between two points is a straight line....so maybe we should focus our training on gaining the ability to run straight through any obstacle that may bar our path, kinda like the juggernaut, or focusing our mind powers to break up the molecules that compose our physical bodies allowing us to pass straight through anything? (<--------- This question was entirely sarcastic and was only stated in the attempt of making someone who reads it laugh)

or learn how to quantum tunnel* on a macroscopic level.  woot for breaking physics.   ;)

*link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling

and, thanks for props.  it means something.

Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steve Low on February 07, 2007, 09:43:06 PM
Man Steez I swear your writing the words straight out of my mind.  Right on bro

On a side note science and mathmatics have proven that the fastest route between two points is a straight line....so maybe we should focus our training on gaining the ability to run straight through any obstacle that may bar our path, kinda like the juggernaut, or focusing our mind powers to break up the molecules that compose our physical bodies allowing us to pass straight through anything? (<--------- This question was entirely sarcastic and was only stated in the attempt of making someone who reads it laugh)

or learn how to quantum tunnel* on a macroscopic level.  woot for breaking physics.   ;)

*link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling

and, thanks for props.  it means something.



Oh my goodness. I had to learn about quantum tunneling in my physical biochemistry class and it sucked. Basically, what it means is that if there is is energy added to something like an electron in a box to move it to a higher energy level INSIDE the box, it can tunnel through the box to the outside. Pretty much it's almost saying there's 100% probability that the electron will be in the box (at a higher energy level), but sometimes it can be found out of it. Pretty whack.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: bigninjapimp on February 08, 2007, 04:36:18 AM
No one has ever proved that they can flip somthing higher than they can jump it. (not on spring floors)
Cause I still don't buy it at all.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Matthew Lee Willis on February 08, 2007, 09:24:37 AM
OMG another flip thread. 

Here is some actual important information.  Andi did not make that video.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 08, 2007, 01:46:40 PM
No one has ever proved that they can flip somthing higher than they can jump it. (not on spring floors)
Cause I still don't buy it at all.

i know someone who can indeed front tuck higher than he can simply jump (clear higher things).  he's a diver.

matthew lee willis, thanks, that is useful to know.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Tyler Cochran on February 08, 2007, 01:58:09 PM
It's not that you could jump higher but it can work in the same principle as say high jumpers.  By jumping up and getting your body parallel to the ground you can potentially clear a higher object before engaging the tuck because you don't have to worry about your legs clipping the obstacle.
 
Really I don't think this thread is going to go anywhere really exciting because in truth if you like flips you will do flips, if you don't you won't and in any parkour situation who are you going to be listening to?  Your own body or someone who posted something about the "right" way to overcome an obstacle?  My bet is that you will do what feels most natural and fluid to you, so really it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.  Personally I wouldn't do a flip but if you find that to be your most natural and fluid motion, possible for any ninja's out there, then I say, by all means go for it.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 08, 2007, 05:39:09 PM
It's not that you could jump higher but it can work in the same principle as say high jumpers.  By jumping up and getting your body parallel to the ground you can potentially clear a higher object before engaging the tuck because you don't have to worry about your legs clipping the obstacle.
 
Really I don't think this thread is going to go anywhere really exciting because in truth if you like flips you will do flips, if you don't you won't and in any parkour situation who are you going to be listening to?  Your own body or someone who posted something about the "right" way to overcome an obstacle?  My bet is that you will do what feels most natural and fluid to you, so really it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.  Personally I wouldn't do a flip but if you find that to be your most natural and fluid motion, possible for any ninja's out there, then I say, by all means go for it.

word.  good points.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on February 08, 2007, 07:45:32 PM
Steez, you're very correct.  The idea that a technique is efficient or not is very relative.  Instead of fighting over and what is efficient and what is not... over whether or not flips are Parkour, we just have to understand this: movement.  If I took you out into a place that you've never seen before, didn't have a time to check surfaces and whatnot... and I asked you to follow me... and then just ran like hell... how many times would you flip?  Even so... how much of what we practice as Parkour would just be thrown out the window in favour of just moving?

We can train a lot... and we SHOULD train a lot, to be prepared for anything.  But more often than not, we'd be sticking to the basics of movement.  Now, I don't mean to say that "this is Parkour and this is not."  Far from it.  What I mean is that Parkour can only exist in the context of fast, blind movement.  And yes, flips are very rarely a part of that equation, but again... so are ridiculously long kongs and other movements.

We can argue all day about whether, in one particular situation, one thing is efficient and one is not.  It simply doesn't matter in the long run, because that particular situation isn't Parkour as a whole.  I can say for myself that I would not use a flip in the given scenario, because I'm much more comfortable with a dive roll bailing out to a quad than I am with ANY kind of flip.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: bigninjapimp on February 08, 2007, 08:44:49 PM
the track+feild  highjump technique and flipping are completly different things.
With flipping you have to get your legs above you which requires way more power than a regular jump.

Tell me how this guy could have enough leg power to flip this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL19q8yL54

Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steez on February 08, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
Steez, you're very correct.  The idea that a technique is efficient or not is very relative.  Instead of fighting over and what is efficient and what is not... over whether or not flips are Parkour, we just have to understand this: movement.  If I took you out into a place that you've never seen before, didn't have a time to check surfaces and whatnot... and I asked you to follow me... and then just ran like hell... how many times would you flip?  Even so... how much of what we practice as Parkour would just be thrown out the window in favour of just moving?

We can train a lot... and we SHOULD train a lot, to be prepared for anything.  But more often than not, we'd be sticking to the basics of movement.  Now, I don't mean to say that "this is Parkour and this is not."  Far from it.  What I mean is that Parkour can only exist in the context of fast, blind movement.  And yes, flips are very rarely a part of that equation, but again... so are ridiculously long kongs and other movements.

We can argue all day about whether, in one particular situation, one thing is efficient and one is not.  It simply doesn't matter in the long run, because that particular situation isn't Parkour as a whole.  I can say for myself that I would not use a flip in the given scenario, because I'm much more comfortable with a dive roll bailing out to a quad than I am with ANY kind of flip.

this i definately agree with. 

BNP, that vid is amazing. 
track and field high jump technique will just get you hurt in real life.  woot for landing on your upper back. 
i don't have a vid, but i have seen my friend (5'9" or taller) front tuck his own height with no sprung floor (he had basically dive-rolled the pad we set up, and completed the flip on the other side).  some folks are just crazy like that. 
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Steve Low on February 08, 2007, 10:20:21 PM
Steez:

It's not that hard for people with good explosive power and good aerial awareness. Before I got injured I was able to clear a 6' stack of blocks with a dive roll. A few less inches and I could flip over it and I'm 5'8" tall (approximately 30" vert). While 30" is probably rated around good, it's not *great* and there's people that are more explosive than me by far like most of the Tribe so I mean.. it's not that hard to get to that level of ability with good training. I've only been training seriously about 1.5-2 years now (but it did help that I did gymnastics when younger).
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Kipup on February 15, 2007, 03:36:13 PM
Awesome video.

Thanks for bringing this up Gene!
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Rek on February 17, 2007, 11:31:42 AM
OMFG all i have to say is that ppl took it either way too far or went way to deep into it.
*Hence the reason it was made*
Watch it again and think sarcastically.

Were saying do whatever the f#ck you wanna do and quit trying to over-analyze.  There is no way i could explain it to ppl on a thread only in person.. but we kind of meant it both ways.  Flips may not be Parkour... but for christs sakes don't over do it by being like DB is the founder and I hug his nuts.  The end part was a joke basically sounding like any other purists out there that can't just STFU and train and let ppl do what they want.

I find it hard to know that ppl would just... do a flip and say---"Yup thats what PK is.. a flip..."  Doubt it.  To say that flips are involved and used in Parkour especially in the media.. then thats ok.  Your not sayin there parkour just that you use them in your PK "Especially when the ladies are around" joke.. nobody copy that and try to use it by saying "YOu pk for ladies!!!???" it was a joke.

Over all we were kind of criticizing DB why?  PM me and I can try to explain.  Over all I don't think its DB fault it all got blown to shit, just other ppl that took what he said too far.  Please do not respond to the post or it will turn out like a religious battle.  2 sides with 2 diffrent opinions and 2 pissed off ppl in the end.  PM me if you have questions about the video. thank you. :)
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: dak on February 18, 2007, 10:24:37 PM
OMFG all i have to say is that ppl took it either way too far or went way to deep into it.
*Hence the reason it was made*
Watch it again and think sarcastically.

Were saying do whatever the f#ck you wanna do and quit trying to over-analyze.  There is no way i could explain it to ppl on a thread only in person.. but we kind of meant it both ways.  Flips may not be Parkour... but for christs sakes don't over do it by being like DB is the founder and I hug his nuts.  The end part was a joke basically sounding like any other purists out there that can't just STFU and train and let ppl do what they want.

I find it hard to know that ppl would just... do a flip and say---"Yup thats what PK is.. a flip..."  Doubt it.  To say that flips are involved and used in Parkour especially in the media.. then thats ok.  Your not sayin there parkour just that you use them in your PK "Especially when the ladies are around" joke.. nobody copy that and try to use it by saying "YOu pk for ladies!!!???" it was a joke.

Over all we were kind of criticizing DB why?  PM me and I can try to explain.  Over all I don't think its DB fault it all got blown to shit, just other ppl that took what he said too far.  Please do not respond to the post or it will turn out like a religious battle.  2 sides with 2 diffrent opinions and 2 pissed off ppl in the end.  PM me if you have questions about the video. thank you. :)


my response........who cares. it was funny!!!
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Flippusmn on February 19, 2007, 07:47:05 AM
wow Jeff B had to screw up the peace by saying that little thing about flips and training. Man I thought the madness was over last year, AGAIN. wtf people won't just accept something, seriosly, read the comments posted to that vid wth. lmao funny vid  though. :)
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Rek on February 19, 2007, 05:55:53 PM
exactly Van.. lol . ;D
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Hunter Neiblum on April 12, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
funny stuff
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on April 17, 2007, 02:38:20 PM
This is right up there with Chuck Norris jokes.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Vaho on February 12, 2010, 04:58:01 PM
Good stuff lol
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Christian Greene on February 12, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
old thread ftw, but this is hilarious hahahahaha :D
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Hazim Salem on February 12, 2010, 08:24:23 PM
But whats easier to learn? A flip or speed vault?

It's not about how easy the move is. Do you agree that the monkey vault (kong with low momentum) is easier to learn than the diving kong?
the diving kong brings us over the rather long obstacle very quickly, even though it requires more energy.


The biggest inefficiency in parkour, as I see, is hesitation. Hesitation slows you down and wastes your momentum. When it comes to the ultimate use of parkour, do you are comfortable with, be it a flip or lazy vault.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Andy Keller on February 12, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
It's not about how easy the move is. Do you agree that the monkey vault (kong with low momentum) is easier to learn than the diving kong?
the diving kong brings us over the rather long obstacle very quickly, even though it requires more energy.


The biggest inefficiency in parkour, as I see, is hesitation. Hesitation slows you down and wastes your momentum. When it comes to the ultimate use of parkour, do you are comfortable with, be it a flip or lazy vault.

Hey man, this thread is three [3] years old. Don't be offended if he doesn't respond...
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Hazim Salem on February 12, 2010, 10:12:48 PM
Hey man, this thread is three [3] years old. Don't be offended if he doesn't respond...

..........that's a bummer.
Well, I guess my post is for anyone who reads it. :D thanks though
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: EpicMovement on February 13, 2010, 11:23:07 AM
I literally lol'ed at that video.
Title: Re: BEST Belle video on YOUTUBE
Post by: Ryan Drake on February 16, 2010, 06:15:29 AM
It would have been funnier had I not understood what they were really saying.  Still good though :)