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Title: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 26, 2010, 06:17:04 AM
Guys,
I see the same people taking topics off topic all the time, having personal conversations and basically talking shit. I'm going to ask you (nicely, once) to self - moderate.

If your post is not on topic do not post it.

If your post does not add (or change) the discussion in a meaningful way don't post it.

This counts for all forums except socialize where you may say whatever you want whenever you want.


A good rule of thumb is this: if you post more than two things a day, you're not putting the level of thought into it that APK requires and deserves.

I'll be more than happy to impose a technical (meaning using the forum software) limit of 3 posts per day per person and see how the quality of these forums improves, or I can just ban anyone who posts frivolously, the choice is yours.



Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: hfksla on September 26, 2010, 06:19:12 AM
Completely understand, I know this is directed towards me and some others.
I will contain myself.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 26, 2010, 06:59:40 AM
i will contain myself also, sorry m2
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andrew Hull on September 26, 2010, 07:02:57 AM
This is going to get me banned but how about we agree to READ posts instead of waiting for our turn to talk. A lot of these threads have concise and complete answers in the first 10 posts but the OP doesn't acknowledge it and just continues with a piecemeal troll thread.

And yes, I'm a culprit of derailing so I'll try to keep it in check. But a post that isn't the answer the OP wanted is not a post irrelevant to the thread.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 26, 2010, 07:04:52 AM
I think the "self-moderation" idea comes to the poster at about 1000-1500 post count. I notice most of the older members seem to not post as much, going for quality, rather than quantity.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Jeremy Osborn on September 26, 2010, 07:09:41 AM
I think I like the 3 post per-day rule, actually. This would leave a large amount of the spam in the APK chat box.
I think it would be interesting to see what would happen. Maybe try it for a week or so, and see how it affects the forums...
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andrew Hull on September 26, 2010, 07:13:29 AM
I don't support that. Maybe in general discussion only. But for those of us that are moderators in our local forums or helping out in the movement forums that would SEVERELY cripple our ability to answer questions and coordinate meetups/help new traceurs seeking other to train with.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: hfksla on September 26, 2010, 07:19:00 AM
Maybe not a 3 post limit. As Hull said, if someone wants to post in their state boards, general discussion, general fitness, ect. they have to chose which ones and for more variety, which threads to post in. This would make it much harder for questions to be answered and jams to be organized.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Shae Perkins on September 26, 2010, 07:30:01 AM
Interesting idea. I see this as such a problem some times, that I am discouraged to even post most of the time.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 26, 2010, 07:36:24 AM
Andrew - show me a time where on average you made 5 posts a day that where necessary for more than 3 days straight and I'll be happy to hear your argument, otherwise, I think that even active state mods can get by with 3 good posts a day and PMs for any other issues.

Besides that, I think you get the point, there is a lot of useless posting and obviously that is what I am trying to cut out. Nobody would ever be banned or limited for helping people, but the fact it the forums here are a pile of shit right now and mostly not helpful for the general newcomer.



Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 26, 2010, 07:44:19 AM
Putting a "3-Per-Day" post limit on some boards would be beneficial. I really think we should try it.

Like Jeremy said, more people would go to the chatbox/room. I think there is some Java application that is called "shoutbox," could someone look into that?
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Happy Fries on September 26, 2010, 07:48:55 AM
I don't think the 3 posts a day is a great idea, but possibly on the right track. Maybe something like 3 posts  per 15 minutes limit, with a separate or no daily limit.

It would take some fiddling around on the numbers to get it right, of course. But, this is IMO still a secondary solution. I don't know completely to what extents mods regulate off topic posts, whether some posts get deleted or if members get PM's regarding off topic posts.... But these would be more favorable to me. This, though, is not to reduce a mods responcibilty to that of a crap-cleaner though. I'm sure many of you would agree that it's all our responciblity, so if everyone who cares might consider addressing posters directly in a clear and polite way, this might be the best way to keep the most freedom for everyone.

This is not an easy fix though. No solution will completely fix this issue, cus people will get excited and slip. But that's okay, if it's incidential and not very often.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 26, 2010, 07:54:18 AM
I don't think the 3 posts a day is a great idea, but possibly on the right track. Maybe something like 3 posts  per 15 minutes limit, with a separate or no daily limit.


i think this is a far better idea. i realize that a lot of my post are pointless but there have been times where i have been posting serious posts in several serious threads and i posted in those threads multiple times a day. i am not the only one who has done that.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Kyle on September 26, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Three posts per fifteen minutes, or even an hour, wouldn't be a restriction. How long does it take for you to take a look around the forums and make a post? Would three posts take you less than fifteen minutes? Typically, fifteen minutes would allow you the same post rate as before, without the restriction.

This is kind of a hard thing to give opinion on, as it's not a very typical concept that is actually used, but if you -were- going to do it. Do it for three per day.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 26, 2010, 08:03:02 AM
how about if you start spamming you get a three post limit  for three days or a ban for three days? that way spammers will be punished without punishing everyone else.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 26, 2010, 08:33:48 AM
how about if you start spamming you get a three post limit  for three days or a ban for three days? that way spammers will be punished without punishing everyone else.

How many posts in a day would be considered spam? 30? 20? 10?

It's a good idea, and with a little tweaking, would work pretty well.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Dan M. on September 26, 2010, 09:14:03 AM
Three posts per fifteen minutes, or even an hour, wouldn't be a restriction. How long does it take for you to take a look around the forums and make a post? Would three posts take you less than fifteen minutes? Typically, fifteen minutes would allow you the same post rate as before, without the restriction.

This is kind of a hard thing to give opinion on, as it's not a very typical concept that is actually used, but if you -were- going to do it. Do it for three per day.

I agree with this. There's no need for more than three posts a day. I might have days when I rack up 3 posts a day, but usually I post once a day. This is because I find threads that only need answers, and I think before immediately posting my answer. One of my replies can take me anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. This is because I consider what I'm writing, I make sure that the information is correct, and I preview my reply multiple times till I am satisfied. If everyone did this, there would be no problem.

I believe that a 3 post limit is perfect, since it will force others to carefully think about and write out replies to threads that need answers, therefore eradicating pointless posts.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 26, 2010, 09:55:33 AM
How many posts in a day would be considered spam? 30? 20? 10?

It's a good idea, and with a little tweaking, would work pretty well.
how about instead of by numbers by quality. If you are posting random irrelevant crap outside of socialize, and derailing topics, you get a three day ban.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: hfksla on September 26, 2010, 09:58:36 AM
I like that idea Tex
that'd keep me in line ;)
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 26, 2010, 10:10:21 AM
Guys, even this is f#cking out of hand, you have missed the point entirely. Stop posting unless what you are saying has meaning, these forums used to have real value, and all your useless bullshit has taken away that value. Starting now if I see you post more than three posts a day that are not all useful and relevant to people who want to learn and train in parkour and freerunning I'll ban you, how's that?

Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 26, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
Starting now if I see you post more than three posts a day that are not all useful and relevant to people who want to learn and train in parkour and freerunning I'll ban you, how's that?

Sure.

EDIT: What about bringing back karma, and if you have X amount of negs per day, you get the limit?
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: leftyPK on September 26, 2010, 10:30:18 AM
3 posts a seems kinda strict to me.just because someone posts a lot doesn't mean they aren't saying things meaningful and contributing to the community, I know a guy called marvulus on a forum for a mmo game that has over 10k posts on his main account, and even more on his alts. he is one of the most helpful and respected people there. And, the game has only been around for 2 or 3 years.  Speaking of alts, this might encourage some people to make alts to post with. Which could, in turn, lead to more problems unless you decide to allow only 1 account per ip address,  although the truly desperate can simply change their ip.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 26, 2010, 10:34:23 AM
3 posts a seems kinda strict to me.just because someone posts a lot doesn't mean they aren't saying things meaningful and contributing to the community, I know a guy called marvulus on a forum for a mmo game that has over 10k posts on his main account, and even more on his alts. he is one of the most helpful and respected people there. And, the game has only been around for 2 or 3 years.  Speaking of alts, this might encourage some people to make alts to post with. Which could, in turn, lead to more problems unless you decide to allow only 1 account per ip address,  although the truly desperate can simply change their ip.
he has a point. A limit will lead to alts, and permenntly banning people for posting more than 3 irrelevant posts will lead to angry people and potential trolls.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: leftyPK on September 26, 2010, 10:49:37 AM
You have a god point also. And btw, alts would also encourage trolls directly, since unless they make the username something like [username]'s alt,  then they might be urged to troll since only mods and admins would be able to find out who they really are.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: hfksla on September 26, 2010, 10:55:30 AM
In all truth, it's M2's choice what happens. Perhaps a three post limit every 6 hours? If these three posts continue to be worthless and destructive, after first warning. 3-5 day ban.
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Post by: David Jones on September 26, 2010, 12:07:57 PM
3 posts per day is gold, Mark. I've been talking about this issue for awhile now, glad that you have noticed this also. Not only is it unproductive, but it drives both veterans and newcomers away after time.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Patrick Witbrod on September 26, 2010, 12:41:00 PM
Mark I agree with you completely but that's irrelevant it's your forum and your rules. I think everyone needs to calm down and take a look at their recent posts. Most of us have made some very irrelevant posts recently and the best posters have at a max 4 posts per day. Stop complaining and go post your irrelevant stuff to the spam thread or make a new thread in socialize. I have noticed that the usefulness of this site at least the general discussion and nutrition (which I just read I don't post) have been lacking. The nutrition might just be me though. Anyway this is the greatest forum I have ever been on. Please don't make alts to spam and don't troll. This is supposed to be a place to learn and plan and disscuss parkour. Put the rest in socialize.

Here is an idea in socialize make a derailment thread for a particular subject or even an catch all thread. That if you want to say something funny about the latest front-flip scandal and people want to here it they can go look for it. In fact to make it easy if you make a lot of superfluous posts and can admit it to yourself link the thread in your sig.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andrew Wilson on September 26, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
I can fully agree with a post limit. I see that even though I've been here over a year, I only have around 600 posts, at round 1 post per day (Whereas others who have been here maybe 6 months have 1200 posts+). I really only post now if the thread is really interesting to me, or I'd like to offer my advice. Mostly, I just lurk now :)

I support this 3 Post Per Day
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Macgyver 0. on September 27, 2010, 04:55:50 AM
good idea. my post quantity/quality ratio is pretty low. I will start to post more helpful responses.

[EDIT]:
I support 3 post-per-day. I notice many of the sections like "movement", "pics and vids" and ESPECIALLY The local and state boards are pretty dead as far as responses go. this will encourage us to post in other places.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Skinny on September 27, 2010, 06:48:37 AM
I'm all for a post limit.  I hardly ever post or even look in the general discussion anymore because there is so much crap.  I don't even look in "Movement" or any of the fitness pages anymore because it's all the same.  Kong help and 10k push ups or whatever.  The "you know you're a traceur" thread has really gone on long enough.  This is my second post of the day and I most likely will not be posting again today.  3 posts is plenty for everyone.  This is a forum, not a chat room.  Get your message out clearly in a post then you don't have to worry about reposting multiple times.  I feel the concern about planning jams and the like is really is only based around not wanting to have a limit and making excuses.  If it really is a problem, our community uses meetup.com to plan most of our jams.  When a new jam is planned, an email gets sent out to everyone.  Problem solved. 

I sure would like to see this forum get back to what it used to be a few years ago.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DaveS on September 27, 2010, 10:00:40 AM
What's wrong with just deleting useless posts and temporarily banning people who repeatedly make them?

If the issue is the quality of posts then surely that's what you should target, not the quantity.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Stevie Leifheit on September 27, 2010, 10:50:36 AM
I fully support the 3 post-per-day idea. 3 posts a day is far more than I need. I've been on these forums for about a year know and my post number is 97 (0.311 per day). If you want to post needless crap go to "socialize". I believe the Mods know best guys. And we're not the ones who have to move topics or lock them. Its got to be a lot of needless work.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 27, 2010, 11:25:18 AM
What's wrong with just deleting useless posts and temporarily banning people who repeatedly make them?

If the issue is the quality of posts then surely that's what you should target, not the quantity.

That takes (potentially ;) ) precious time from the moderators. They DO have lives.

If you place a limit on posts, then people will be more inclined to have their quality higher, in contrast to quantity.

I think we should also remove the Guenons/Hirundo Rustica/Other Money Titles. Some newer members may want to get a "better" title, and post more crap.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 27, 2010, 12:39:27 PM
What's wrong with just deleting useless posts and temporarily banning people who repeatedly make them?

If the issue is the quality of posts then surely that's what you should target, not the quantity.
im with this idea.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 27, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
What's wrong with people simply being mindful about what they post?

Don't answer. Really.

Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Shyam Subramanian on September 27, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
I agree with the post limit. I've been here about a year now, and I only post when absolutely necessary, and I don't think I've EVER made over three posts a day.  Usually I just read around, and post only when i have a legitimate question/answer.

Now I'm not saying I ALWAYS make productive posts, I've made some crap posts in the past, but mostly they are helpful.  Also, I might get flamed for this, but people need to start using the search bar.  Like someone previously said, we don't need 20,000 kong threads.  I actually made a thread a while ago called "The Official Kong Vault Thread", in which I suggested that people put all questions/tips about the kong.  This is just an example, but I think it would help if we had one thread for many single movements so we wouldn't have so many threads.

So...yeah.  There's my opinion.

EDIT: Oh, and I remember that for a few months after I joined last January, we had a really nice community which was lots more productive than right now, and I've noticed that people that used to be on a lot then aren't on now.  Guys, I really enjoyed that community and looked forward to logging onto APK every day.  Now, not so much.  Can we please make an effort to go back?  That'd be awesome :)
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DaveS on September 27, 2010, 03:06:06 PM
Evan, what is the job of the moderators if not to ensure the quality of the forum?

There is no link between post quantity and post quality. You have people that create a lot of useful posts, and people that post a few useless posts. Sure, if you introduce a post limit you'll reduce the amount of useless posts, but you'll also reduce the amount of useful ones and I'm not sure that's what you're aiming for.

Fewer posts would only mean more time thinking about each one if each person had a specific amount of time allocated to the forums, which isn't true. Limiting the number of posts a person can make doesn't encourage them to post more meaningful posts, it encourages them to spend less time on the forum.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Joel PK on September 27, 2010, 03:18:14 PM
Hmmm, this really is a big problem. I fully agree that there's been a lot of garbage and useless arguing going on lately. But M2, man, you said even this thread was out of line and it seemed like people were just giving their opinion on the situation, isn't that what you wanted? :/ I mean, in the end it is your forum, and you need to make it how you want it, and I fully support it.

My 2 cents, we need a post limit, but not so vague. I don't see the problem with people going through the pics/vids threads and giving even just a few words of encouragement, or going into movement and adding an extra little point that COULD be the one thing the OP was looking for. I see probably around 5-10 regular posters, and maybe 20-30 posters weekly or so. With that said I fully support moderators given authority to throw on post limits to specific people or even temporary bans. But to throw that limit on to EVERYONE? I don't personally believe that's the answer, but that is only my opinion.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andy Keller on September 27, 2010, 03:24:59 PM
Evan, what is the job of the moderators if not to ensure the quality of the forum?

I believe you're arguing against his point with a separate point, and both are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, Dave, the job of the moderators is to ensure the quality of the forum, but I think Evan means that we should not create more work for the moderators than necessary.

There used to be at least half a dozen very active moderators here, but now it's down to two or three. I [and I'm sure most others] would much rather spend time contributing to worthwhile discussions than policing the boards. I can only commit so much time here and I want to make sure it has the biggest positive impact on the community as possible. Don't get me wrong, I love helping out at this place, but it's not like I'm getting paid... and university is expensive.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andy Keller on September 27, 2010, 03:29:21 PM
My 2 cents, we need a post limit, but not so vague. I don't see the problem with people going through the pics/vids threads and giving even just a few words of encouragement, or going into movement and adding an extra little point that COULD be the one thing the OP was looking for. I see probably around 5-10 regular posters, and maybe 20-30 posters weekly or so. With that said I fully support moderators given authority to throw on post limits to specific people or even temporary bans. But to throw that limit on to EVERYONE? I don't personally believe that's the answer, but that is only my opinion.

What about this:

New members are under a probationary daily post limit, which expires [yielding unlimited posting privileges] after a certain length of time [days/weeks] or hours spent online. That way new people are encouraged to search and find answers as opposed to starting a new thread every time they have a question about kong vaults. On the other hand, it leaves the active community members with the ability to contribute as much as they see necessary. This could be supplemented with a temporary posting limit policy that can be dished out by admins/mods on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Joel PK on September 27, 2010, 03:36:38 PM
What about this:

New members are under a probationary daily post limit, which expires [yielding unlimited posting privileges] after a certain length of time [days/weeks] or hours spent online. That way new people are encouraged to search and find answers as opposed to starting a new thread every time they have a question about kong vaults. On the other hand, it leaves the active community members with the ability to contribute as much as they see necessary. This could be supplemented with a temporary posting limit policy that can be dished out by admins/mods on a case-by-case basis.

Every solution will have its pros and cons. The pros to that are really high. It would for sure encourage newcomers to be more careful on what they post and hopefully have them develop a good habit of doing so. I just hope that it doesn't discourage newcomers from being a part of a community that puts limits on, because they may not understand the need right away. I support that suggestion completely...

...BUT...

...I see many active, older members doing some unnecessary posting/arguing. In fact probably more so than any newcomer I've seen. So while I think that solution is a great thing to implement, I don't think it's the only answer, I think more action needs to take place. Something on the end of automatic is perfect, but hard. I say if limits are to be put, limit to specific topics.

IE:

Movement, 1 post per day
Pics/Vids, 3 posts per day
General Discussion, 4 posts per day
Local Connections, Unlimitted

Something along those lines maybe?
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Patrick Witbrod on September 27, 2010, 03:43:16 PM
Dave I don't think they have started a mechanical way of limiting yet. He also said that it would be three useless posts. I have not seen a post of yours be useless so I don't think you have anything to worry about. You always contribute in a positive way to the discussion many people myself included sometimes do not. I think that this is a necessary to restore the quality of the forums that you provide but so few others do.  

And Andy that is a good idea but it's a little flawed. While that would help some people could just keep their page open all day long. I think that the mods should give a promotion for lack of a better word to people who you guys decide should privately with a pm that this person can post more.

Edit: Aside from this edit I have not posted anything useless for the last two day.   
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andy Keller on September 27, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
Every solution will have its pros and cons. The pros to that are really high. It would for sure encourage newcomers to be more careful on what they post and hopefully have them develop a good habit of doing so. I just hope that it doesn't discourage newcomers from being a part of a community that puts limits on, because they may not understand the need right away. I support that suggestion completely...

...BUT...

...I see many active, older members doing some unnecessary posting/arguing. In fact probably more so than any newcomer I've seen. So while I think that solution is a great thing to implement, I don't think it's the only answer, I think more action needs to take place. Something on the end of automatic is perfect, but hard. I say if limits are to be put, limit to specific topics.

IE:

Movement, 1 post per day
Pics/Vids, 3 posts per day
General Discussion, 4 posts per day
Local Connections, Unlimitted

Something along those lines maybe?

Good points.

As far as the board-specific limits, I definitely agree with Local being unlimited. The potential problem I see with your other numbers [like you mentioned: none of these solutions will be perfect] is when it comes to some situations like, say... Adam McC posting in Movement. He's quite a helpful guy and often keeps an eye on the roll threads in Movement. Limiting him to one post there per day will really take away from the positive influence he can have on the community.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 27, 2010, 04:14:02 PM
Yes, the real solution is not in a mechanical limit but in people posting thoughtfully. How about if we just try that?

I feel that acting as if you could only post three hings a day is a good measure to see if something is important enough to post or not.

I also feel that if the excess that people were posting was "positive encouragement" that I wouldn't have started this thread in the first place.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 27, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
Yes, Dave, the job of the moderators is to ensure the quality of the forum, but I think Evan means that we should not create more work for the moderators than necessary.

Exactly my thoughts Andy.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DaveS on September 27, 2010, 04:25:53 PM
Andy, I agree that it's not good to overwork moderators, but moderating IS a job. It involves work. The idea of moderators isn't just to participate in discussions, but to enable them. As Mark is pointing out, contributing useful information should be the role of everyone, not just moderators.
If moderator activity has decreased then that's probably why the quality of discussion has also decreased. Forums need moderators, and you can't substitute an automatic post limit or any kind of fixed rule for real quality control. There is no quick fix. You don't get something for nothing.
If actual quality control isn't an option then whatever you try you won't get a perfect solution. I just generally prefer going for perfect solutions where possible.

Patrick, I know they haven't started it yet, I'm just pointing out that it's a flawed concept. The way I read it was that the rule about 3 posts per day would apply to everyone, not just problem people.
If it would only be applied to the people that post useless stuff then that's effectively what I was suggesting; penalize frivolity, not quantity.

Mark, that might work, but then again, why complicate things imaginary post limits? Why not just say 'Post only useful things'? :)
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: WoodlandGhillie on September 27, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
Dave, are you suggesting to have more moderators?
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Tex__ on September 27, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
Yes, the real solution is not in a mechanical limit but in people posting thoughtfully. How about if we just try that?

I feel that acting as if you could only post three hings a day is a good measure to see if something is important enough to post or not.

I also feel that if the excess that people were posting was "positive encouragement" that I wouldn't have started this thread in the first place.

i say we take M2's advice and start thinking before we post, and try to get some of the random irrelevant bullshit out.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DaveS on September 27, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
Evan, I'm suggesting that the best solution is more quality control.
If having more moderators would help with this then sure, consider having more moderators. Or alternatively current moderators could do more work.
If neither of those are possible, think up another way to improve quality control that involves less work.
If that's not possible, do whatever you want, but quality isn't going to improve as much.

For the record, I'm currently on 6 posts in slightly over 2 hours.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 27, 2010, 05:38:36 PM
Dave - check my post, that IS what I said :)
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Andrew Wilson on September 27, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
I'm nearly always on the forum, but I really don't post unless I really want to voice my opinion, or if something just needs to be said or someone helped. Other than that, I just lurk, contributing when needed. It's always worked for me, and it should work just fine for everyone else as well. If we all try to post less with more meaning in our posts, our little corner of the internet will be a much nice place :)
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: FreeStyleFox on September 27, 2010, 10:41:14 PM
Dave I read oh lets me be honest with my self 70% of ALL the posts that are posted if not more.  By the end of the night My eyes burn.   :-Sarcasm  Getting a day or two behind can make this next to improbable to keep up.  But I do my best so does most of the other mods.  I know Andy reads his fair share too. 
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Sparklefish on September 27, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
Guys, even this is f#cking out of hand, you have missed the point entirely. Stop posting unless what you are saying has meaning, these forums used to have real value, and all your useless bullshit has taken away that value. Starting now if I see you post more than three posts a day that are not all useful and relevant to people who want to learn and train in parkour and freerunning I'll ban you, how's that?

I like this.  Maybe a 3-strikes ban system: 1st offense = 72-hour ban, 2nd offense = 1 week ban, 3rd offense = permanent ban. I agree that useless posting is a problem.  I've definitely reduced the amount of time I spend on APK over the last year because of all the off-topic posting, the inane inside jokes, and other ridiculousness.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DevintheNinja on September 28, 2010, 01:13:24 AM
I like this.  Maybe a 3-strikes ban system: 1st offense = 72-hour ban, 2nd offense = 1 week ban, 3rd offense = permanent ban. I agree that useless posting is a problem.  I've definitely reduced the amount of time I spend on APK over the last year because of all the off-topic posting, the inane inside jokes, and other ridiculousness.

I have suggested the infraction system to andy a while back when socialize got out of hand
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DaveS on September 28, 2010, 03:02:53 AM
Mark, all I'm saying is that that's the best option, the best advice to give.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 28, 2010, 04:32:38 AM
OK Dave, you're right.
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Colby Zayne Gamache on September 29, 2010, 11:25:57 PM
M2...have you thought about going back to the old method? Locking the threads on weekends? I remember way back when and it worked. It gave me more motivation to actually get out there and train. Maybe thats what needs to be done...
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: FreeStyleFox on September 30, 2010, 12:04:19 AM
M2...have you thought about going back to the old method? Locking the threads on weekends? I remember way back when and it worked. It gave me more motivation to actually get out there and train. Maybe thats what needs to be done...

2nd
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: DevintheNinja on September 30, 2010, 12:48:06 AM
agreed with colby and fox
Title: Re: New stop the bullshit campaign - Post Limits
Post by: Mark Toorock on September 30, 2010, 02:16:55 AM
Yeah, FSF suggested it to me a while ago - not sure why we didn't do it this summer- maybe we were all too busy out training to be worried about the forums :P