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Fitness and Training => Injuries - Discussion => Topic started by: Matthew Lee Willis on October 18, 2006, 10:33:05 AM

Title: Staying Tight
Post by: Matthew Lee Willis on October 18, 2006, 10:33:05 AM
Hello all.

I want to convey the message before I tell the story. When doing a ROLL, Vault, jump, cat ANYTHING remember your conditioning.  Remember to stay TIGHT and strong for everything.  IT only takes once to mess yourself up.

I want to tell you a little story.  There is a girl at my gymnastics facility that was doing a round off, back handspring.  I think most of you know what that is.  Now, she can do this by herself but she likes a coach to be there for support.  She was on the (spring) floor and she began to do her roundoff.  She went loose in her round off landed a bit bent in her knees and then proceeded to do her backhandspring.  She landed on her feet and then sat down.  No, big deal right?

She stood up and then collapsed.  Why you ask?  I mentioned she went lax or loose in her round off.  It is a very simple skill but if you are in the wrong body position things tend to get hurt or start hurting.  Most injuries in gymnastics/tumbling happens from a inversion of the body.  Well, this was not the case.

She felt faint and weird.  We rushed to her and performed a safty check.  Everything seemed normal but not right.  We kept her down for another 5 mins or so.  Untill we performed the safty check on her again.  She COULD NOT feel anything in her lowerback and legs.  She had no reaction when we tickled her foot or even took a pen to it and drew it up her foot. (all from a poorly executed round off) Think about becoming paralized from a cartwheel.  Weird but it happend.

Now, we called in the paramedics instantly and they came.  They Air Lifted her to a large City hospital.  Crazy huh?  Well, this is a small town and we are not use to a helicopter landing on the premises but it had to. 

BACK TO THE THOUGHT IN HAND.  When doing a ROLL, Vault, jump, cat ANYTHING remember your conditioning.  Remember to stay TIGHT and strong for everything.  IT only takes once to mess yourself up. I right this again here because it needs to be enforced.

It has been a month now.  She has mostly ALL of her feeling back in her body.  She still can not feel her heels and she can not walk without assistence.  I have seen injuries just like this many times.  Just getting loose and BLAM, broken collor bone etc.  PLEASE KEEP SAFE.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Steve Low on October 18, 2006, 11:23:09 AM
That's pretty crazy. Probably impinged a nerve or something in her spine that cut off all electrical impulses from her lower body to her brain.

But yeah, give 100% in everything cause on lapse in judgment can seriously screw you up. There's a lot of people on here with testimonies of that.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: HP on October 18, 2006, 11:49:02 AM
I almost had a similar experience. I was practicing up at my local shopping center and slipped on a waxed rain during a precision. I fell and smashed my lower back on the second rail really hard. I was fortunate enough to get up unharmed, (Because of my conditioning, my back muscles absorbed the blow of the rail before it could get to my spine). After that incident, I now always check my enviroment before I PK.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Cliff Boz on October 18, 2006, 12:56:45 PM
I almost had a similar experience. I was practicing up at my local shopping center and slipped on a waxed rain during a precision. I fell and smashed my lower back on the second rail really hard. I was fortunate enough to get up unharmed, (Because of my conditioning, my back muscles absorbed the blow of the rail before it could get to my spine). After that incident, I now always check my enviroment before I PK.

"Check yer surfaces!!" X)
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: PKRainbowChaser on October 18, 2006, 04:12:58 PM
Staying Tight

How did I know a gymnast wrote this?  :P

But yes, good thing to mention, I know a couple of people who don't normaly stay tight or have much form when they do stuff and it scares me a little. Psycosis used to be really bad about that but than one day out of nowhere he somehow decided to start doing things right.  *highfive!* :)

Listen to MLW guys, be aware of your body and be sure that it is tight. It could save your life (or at least let me sleep at night).
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: itsme on October 18, 2006, 06:12:34 PM
I don't really understand what you guys mean by staying tight. When I think of being tight in your movement I think of having too much tension which could actually lead to more injury- like landing with too many muscles flexed and no buoyancy to reduce the shock. I'm a massage therapist and that's what we know for the definition of tight. What you're saying is probably a much different definition so I'm just looking for some clarification. Thank you.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Sat Santokh on October 18, 2006, 07:15:19 PM
Mainly staying tight in your core is what I believe they are conveying.  Among other parts.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Matthew Lee Willis on October 18, 2006, 07:28:38 PM
humm...well, lets see.  A lot of people seem use this technique of landing on their feet and then doing a roll.  I dont think that is always good. Let me explain.  I believe that you should land and push out of your toes and keep your momentum forward.  THIS IS SAID A LOT...but not always explained how.  You have to LAND the drop...basicly but because you keep your momemntum forward and STRONG/TIGHT...you may cause that energy to go forward instead of clapsing straight into a roll.

Look at Cirque Du Soleil or another other gymnatics.  They are STRONG and yet gracefully.  Dancing...you have to be strong...pushing out of toes...extending all the way out of your finger tips.  These are ways of staying tight...but not sketchy or edgy.

In Parkour.  You must land firmly yet softly.  Pushing and keeping your muscules engaged.  Just on stepouts on vaults or pushing though your shoulder to keep a good extension on the object when vaulting it.  Important things.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on October 18, 2006, 07:40:31 PM
"Stay tight" is a little misleading to some people, since not everyone takes gymnastics and knows what is meant by that.  However, just remember to keep your form at all times, no matter what.  Or at least try to.
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: Sat Santokh on October 18, 2006, 08:26:13 PM
Try to not be "floppy"
Title: Re: Staying Tight
Post by: itsme on October 19, 2006, 08:01:41 AM
Thanks guys, that helps.