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Fitness and Training => General Fitness => Diet => Topic started by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 06:31:59 AM

Title: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 06:31:59 AM
Ok, so here's my problem.
About 4 days ago I started the diet listed on this website. I've lost seven pounds in those 4 days, but I think I might be having withdrawal symptoms. For instance, I feel a lot more tired, I get weird stomach pains,(not from hunger) and every once in a while my stomach does a weird thing where it sucks in and blows out really quickly and involuntarily while I'm eating. Now I'm wondering if I should keep up the diet and it will go away in a few weeks or should I start over and begin integrating the diet with my regular food lifestyle(lots of junk)? Thanks for input.
Stats:
14 yrs old
6 ft tall
178.2 lbs
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Chris Salvato on July 03, 2010, 06:54:19 AM
what diet is listed on this page?  There are no specific dietary plans listed here as that would be dangerous and ineffective.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 08:36:28 AM
Well I've been trying to follow the menu plan and I mainly eat fruits and veggies with some meat and fish mixed in so it could be my body...
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan Elric on July 03, 2010, 11:20:54 AM
you mean the getting started eating article on Eat. Move. Improve?
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 11:31:13 AM
Yes that one. They have a list that I have been trying to follow for my diet.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Micah. on July 03, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
You could be eating a lot less calories then you require, or not splitting those meals up in the right portions.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 03:11:28 PM
Well 2 days ago this is what I ate:
For breakfast I had a bowl of oatmeal along with a cup of skim milk.
Snack at 1:20-Apple and 10 Cashews
Snack at 4:52-Peach
A bowl of beans at 6:10
For Dinner I had a chicken breast and a salad
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Micah. on July 03, 2010, 03:26:40 PM
Well 2 days ago this is what I ate:
For breakfast I had a bowl of oatmeal along with a cup of skim milk.
Snack at 1:20-Apple and 10 Cashews
Snack at 4:52-Peach
A bowl of beans at 6:10
For Dinner I had a chicken breast and a salad
You're eating way to spaced out, and it's the calories not the food you take in. That is important. You also seem to be eating A LOT less then you should be. The breakfast seems good, throw some fruit in there. ( Bananas, Apples, Oranges, etc. ) Your snack 1 you listed is way to low. That's not even 600 calories. ( I'm sure an Apple is roughly 130 calories, and 10 cashews are around 250-400? ) Snack 2, again way less then you need. Peach is ok, but only 1 and a bowl of beans is eh. ( I don't know how many servings you used in the bowl of beans. ) Dinner, sounds good.

You should eat every 2-3 hours, and around 5-7 meals a day. ( You could eat more meals, if you need the calories or whatever situations. ) This is how it should look like.

Example!
Meal 1 - Breakfast 9AM ( Whenever you wake up. )
Snack 1 - Snack 11AM
Meal 2 - Lunch 1PM
Snack 2 - Snack 3PM
Meal 3 - Dinner 5PM
Snack 3 - Snack 7PM
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 03, 2010, 03:59:32 PM
Oh ok thanks I'll try that out and see if it works better.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Steve Low on July 03, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
Well 2 days ago this is what I ate:
For breakfast I had a bowl of oatmeal along with a cup of skim milk.
Snack at 1:20-Apple and 10 Cashews
Snack at 4:52-Peach
A bowl of beans at 6:10
For Dinner I had a chicken breast and a salad

1. Not eating enough.
2. Full fat milk if you're going to use milk
3. More protein
4. Eggs, bacon, etc would be good
5. No lunch...... piddly snacks... eat more... again....
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Chris Salvato on July 03, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
You can also try reading the article instead of skimming it...

It clearly says on the article that the menu is a SAMPLE menu and not a list of foods.  Get out and experiment with some other foods.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on July 05, 2010, 08:49:47 AM
Well 2 days ago this is what I ate:
For breakfast I had a bowl of oatmeal along with a cup of skim milk.
Snack at 1:20-Apple and 10 Cashews
Snack at 4:52-Peach
A bowl of beans at 6:10
For Dinner I had a chicken breast and a salad

This makes it look like you're trying to starve yourself, man.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 12, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
Ok so i read all of your posts and I've tried to improve my diet. This is directly from my training log for today.

Weight:174.6
Breakfast-A bowl of oatmeal w/a glass of milk, 25 blueberries, and 5 strawberries
Chess Camp today
Lunch @ chess camp I had-a cup of sprite, 2 eggs, around 10 strawberries, and a cup of fruit.
Virtually no exercise except for some running at chess camp
Snack at 4:00-about 25 baby carrots
For Dinner-1 chicken breast w/o skin, 1 cup of peas, and 1 cup of sliced cantaloupe.
Evening Conditioning:
3x5 Bench Press-115 lbs
3x5 Squats-135 lbs
x8,x5,x5 Pullups
x30 Seconds frog stand
x30 seconds front lever progression
2x10 Height jumps (about 1.5 feet)
2x10 Long jumps (about 6 ft.)
Short Stretching session
New Record:x8 pullups
Weight:177.2 lbs

Almost all the problems listed earlier are gone and I feel better than ever. The only problem that is left, and has increased recently, is lack of sleep. It takes me about an hour to 2 hours to fall asleep at night. However, this could be because of a number of factors not related to my diet.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Colby Zayne Gamache on July 12, 2010, 04:09:09 PM
what time are you working out and how soon after are you trying to go to sleep?
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 12, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
I usually work out sometime between 7-9:30 and i go to sleep at 10:30 usually
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Colby Zayne Gamache on July 12, 2010, 05:11:54 PM
working out too soon before bed releases high levels of cortisol which lowers your melatonin. Basically, working out releases a chemical which wakes you up and those chemicals over-ride the melatonin, which is what helps you sleep...

Get done with your workout, have the post workout shake & meal, then shower. If your shower is about 30-60 minutes before bed, you will fall fast asleep. After a shower, your body temperature is elevated, within 30-60 minutes, as your body returns to it's normal temperature your body will start slowing down (creating the perfect opportunity to fall asleep) that coupled with the fresh batch of food in your stomach, you shouldn't have a problem.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 12, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
Ok I'm gonna try that out and see how it works tonight thanks
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Steve Low on July 13, 2010, 07:10:22 AM
Yeah, definitely work out at least 3 hours before you go to sleep if you can.

Preferably eat something after the workout so that your body will help turn up parasympathetic stimulation.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Dan M. on July 15, 2010, 04:03:01 PM
Alright that seems to work fell asleep in about 10 minutes last night :D. Thanks very much and I'll post again if any new problems occur.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Jordan Davis on August 31, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
And i beleive that Steven's article says to Eat when you Hungry. Don't emphasize that you HAVE to eat at specific meal times.
And,
Steven: Full fat / Whole Milk is better even than Skim milk? is that true for all ages of people?
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on September 01, 2010, 01:23:35 PM
Yes.  Fat buffers the insulin response from the lactose (sugar) in milk.  Skim milk is pretty much nothing but sugar.
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: ConnorM on September 16, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
I might be wrong but i feel like certain parts of that article on "eat move improve" are contrary to much of what i have heard about nutrition in the past. Is that website moderated by any sort of experts or is it just written up by whoever wants to contribute like wikipedia?
Title: Re: Withdrawal Symptoms?
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on September 16, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
EMI articles are only written by Steven Low and Chris Salvato.  Both are very well-educated in these matters.

Much of what you have heard about nutrition in the past is, likely, wrong.  "Common knowledge" nutrition and the nutrition they teach in grade school (and even in undergrad) is about forty years behind the current research right now.  If you start reading what is being written by current experts, you'll find they align very well with EMI, with few exceptions.

Of course, everyone has their own approach to nutrition.. and someone like Dr. John Berardi (http://www.precisionnutriton.com/) or Leigh Peele (http://www.leighpeele.com/) might have starkly different opinions on nutrition than do Steven and Chris, but the science behind all of them is (mostly) good.  There's a certain point where you have to just go with your own preferences, too.