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Parkour and Freerunning => Parkour And Freerunning => Topic started by: shiroboi on June 23, 2006, 04:54:31 AM

Title: Dealing with spectators
Post by: shiroboi on June 23, 2006, 04:54:31 AM
Well, not everybody is a willing spectator, I'm talking about your neighbors, people walking around who always seem to never want to leave you to train.  I'm 29 years old and am definitely out of that skinny kid phase.  Sometimes I feel rediculous jumping over railings when I train by myself and people are watching or cars are driving by.  I used to do crazy stuff in high school with people watching and it was no big deal then.  But now, i'm shy and I don't know why.  Maybe its because i'm not very good at parkour yet, or maybe because I'm training alone or training in an area too close to home.  How do you guys deal with other people.  Have you had issues with other people/police/authorities?  I'm at the age where I really don't want to be chased by the cops or given citations for acting like a monkey as my wife likes to say.   I'm definitely interested in parkour, but I just gotta work some of these head issues out.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 23, 2006, 07:06:34 AM
Well I haven't really had that problem, but the police has stopped my team and I because she was worried about our safety but my dad got us out of it because he used to bea paramedic and has a medical kit in his car. Now back to what to do about the people. That has happened once and I slipped on sand after doing a Kong and some people started laughing, but I just ignored them or if the people like say that you suck and laugh persistently then tell them to try and like 99% of the time they won't.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Fenrir Unleashed on June 23, 2006, 07:52:13 AM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Cliff Boz on June 23, 2006, 08:04:14 AM
shiroboi:

I completely hear what you are saying. I am 27 myself, and face similar issues.

What you might be facing is pressure coming from the fact that it's more socially acceptable for those closer to age 20 to not "act right". It is my impression that many ppl in our society see it as that once you are closer to 30 you should have "grown up", which for many that means becoming complacent with who you are, your abilities, and your paths in life. There are a lot of people who seem to feel that once you reach a certain age group, the way you see the world around you should stagnate, which makes NO sense to me when I see that in others' attitudes. It's the same reason why I will sometimes get looks when I talk a/b my transformer collection or video games; stuff like that. It's that dismissive, "and HOW old are you, again?" look that irritates me to no end. hah!

Does it feel like I'm on the right track with what you're feeling here?
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 23, 2006, 08:07:09 AM
He did do a wallflip, I didn't notice because I didn't care what they thought or were talking about.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Mark Toorock on June 23, 2006, 08:08:47 AM
We totally have to make this a sticky or a faq!! Does someone have the time to sort through, I bet there are 7 other topics "How do you deal with hecklers" how to talk to epopel watching "My neighbor thinks I'm weird" ... all that kind of stuff :) It's a great and important topic, and some people have had really good advice on dealing with the situation, because WE ALL run into it from time to time.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 23, 2006, 08:20:06 AM
I guess I could try to find some topics on this what sould I do once I find some?
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: DistortedTruth on June 23, 2006, 08:23:16 AM
shrioboi - when me and my friend went to Centennial and people were there, we just said "f#ck it" and kept goin.  I dont know if the whole age thing has anything to do with it.  It may just be with how comfortable you are in public doing weird things.  If a Howard County Park Ranger came by, we just stopped...waited for them to leave and kept goin at it.  I guess my only advice is to keep doing what your doing unless your afraid someone may tell you to stop or go away (like, teachers, professors, po-po, Park Rangers, etc.).  If thats the case, just stop until they go away, then keep at it.  That way, they never know what u were doing in the first place.  If they ask...be honest, tell them what you're doing.  My friend and I were planning to just tell the rangers we were doing Parkour and we would explained it if they asked.  But that never happened, so we had a good day.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Fenrir Unleashed on June 23, 2006, 08:27:14 AM
He did do a wallflip, I didn't notice because I didn't care what they thought or were talking about.

I didn't notice either. My brother told me later and Lisa confirmed it. I was too busy having fun to notice what some dumbass skaters were doing.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 23, 2006, 08:30:44 AM
They weren't even suppose to be there. Oh well it was funny though when the person called on the speaker and we thought they were talking about the skaters but it was actually telling someone to move their car from their plaza and it was the security guards car. lol. Also M2 I've found 3 topics on it.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: yawar on June 23, 2006, 12:48:07 PM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.

well said my friend, very well derived!
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on June 23, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.

...I believe that this is an entirely inappropriate attitude for a traceur to have.  We do not criticize others.  The only truth to your post is the last sentence.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: houston on June 23, 2006, 01:50:26 PM
very well said
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Steez on June 23, 2006, 02:13:29 PM
this is something that we all need to deal with because Parkour isn't a socially sanctioned sport.  if a biker or skater performs movements on a railing, it's considered normal, maybe trouble-making, but normal.  you take away the bike or the skateboard, and suddenly people fall into seizures of confusion and shock of 'how dare you!" attitudes.  However, we shouldn't blame these people..look at it this way.  If you saw a guy totally dressed up in pads, with a molded plastic or metal place on his rear sliding around on the sidewalks, propelling himself with his bands, you'd most likely gawk and laugh.  Because come on man, that'd be hilarious, and not normal.  it's definately a tough situation.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 23, 2006, 02:54:03 PM
Well yeah it would be funny but I wouldn't laugh at them I'd keep it to myself. Now other people they laughed at me when I bailed so I just ignored them, doesn't matter if they laugh or not, it's not changing anything.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: shiroboi on June 23, 2006, 03:19:39 PM
shiroboi:

I completely hear what you are saying. I am 27 myself, and face similar issues.

What you might be facing is pressure coming from the fact that it's more socially acceptable for those closer to age 20 to not "act right". It is my impression that many ppl in our society see it as that once you are closer to 30 you should have "grown up", which for many that means becoming complacent with who you are, your abilities, and your paths in life. There are a lot of people who seem to feel that once you reach a certain age group, the way you see the world around you should stagnate, which makes NO sense to me when I see that in others' attitudes. It's the same reason why I will sometimes get looks when I talk a/b my transformer collection or video games; stuff like that. It's that dismissive, "and HOW old are you, again?" look that irritates me to no end. hah!

Does it feel like I'm on the right track with what you're feeling here?


Yeah, you pretty much summed it up.  I don't even know if its pressure that other people put on me but more me doing it to myself.  I'm glad others feel the same way.  And I'm quite shocked to get this much response for my first post here in the main forums.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Stereo29 on June 23, 2006, 03:42:25 PM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.

...I believe that this is an entirely inappropriate attitude for a traceur to have.  We do not criticize others.  The only truth to your post is the last sentence.

Expressing an opinion or how you feel, especially in the correct environment, doesn't have anything to do with behaving how a traceur "should act."  No one on the earth can stop themselves from thinking.  the generalizing may be somewhat inappropriate.  Going up to someone and insulting or bothering them without provocation is inappropriate.  But to express yourself in a harmless forum built for conversation and sharing thoughts, is the best way.  I'd even agree that many people are too self-conscious, and it's a societal problem.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Andy Animus Tran on June 23, 2006, 03:50:04 PM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.

...I believe that this is an entirely inappropriate attitude for a traceur to have.  We do not criticize others.  The only truth to your post is the last sentence.

Expressing an opinion or how you feel, especially in the correct environment, doesn't have anything to do with behaving how a traceur "should act."  No one on the earth can stop themselves from thinking.  the generalizing may be somewhat inappropriate.  Going up to someone and insulting or bothering them without provocation is inappropriate.  But to express yourself in a harmless forum built for conversation and sharing thoughts, is the best way.  I'd even agree that many people are too self-conscious, and it's a societal problem.

I agree, to an extent.  And I think the main idea should be to help them.  Not to say it with such disdain.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: psycosis12 on June 23, 2006, 04:12:43 PM
Well, most people I have encountered don't try to be smart-asses. They are usually intrigued. Animus light, and bry have seen what people usually do, they say stuff like "Do something special"
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Argon on June 23, 2006, 04:26:59 PM
Ah yes, I remember that security lady, Titan. Also the skateboarders who saw what we were doing and one of them decided to be a smart ass and do a wallflip. Look, the bottom line is that people are ignorant, and will laugh at anyone who falls for any reason. They believe that "they" are the smart ones because they never do anything that might cause them to fall. The truth is, they're not smart, they're cowards. It's not even that they're afraid of getting hurt. They're afraid of what others will think of them. They make fun because deep inside they wish they could be that free. They laugh because they "have" to be like everyone else and critisize anyone who's different. Just remember. You're doing Parkour for you, not for them.

...I believe that this is an entirely inappropriate attitude for a traceur to have.  We do not criticize others.  The only truth to your post is the last sentence.

Expressing an opinion or how you feel, especially in the correct environment, doesn't have anything to do with behaving how a traceur "should act."  No one on the earth can stop themselves from thinking.  the generalizing may be somewhat inappropriate.  Going up to someone and insulting or bothering them without provocation is inappropriate.  But to express yourself in a harmless forum built for conversation and sharing thoughts, is the best way.  I'd even agree that many people are too self-conscious, and it's a societal problem.

I agree, to an extent.  And I think the main idea should be to help them.  Not to say it with such disdain.

I would like to take a moment to quote everything that has just been said without eliminating any of the previous and now only tangentially relevent statements.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Eric Kropp on June 23, 2006, 04:37:26 PM
This may not help much, but I wouldn't worry about what they think.  As long as your having fun it doesn't matter what anyone thinks.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Mike "Pyro" Araujo on June 25, 2006, 06:49:27 PM
Try to find some where sorta isolated. This can be dangerous cause if you bail hard, no one is around. But a cell phone can fix that. I have had people watch, normally they haven't said anything to me. But there was this one time, where i was trying to roll under a chain at a jam. A guy(known here as jesse danger disaster) was helping me out. my heel kept clipping the chain and i would get sagged on it. A group of fat chicks and 1 guy kept laughing at me. I just got mad and gave up on it. After they walked there fat asses on the elevator i tried again and did it. I couldn't do it cause i kept thinking, about them laughing at me. which made me not focus. Also i was mad cause i hate people that laugh at something they don't know, and they were fat, i hate fat people who think they are better than everyone. So you have to block out the other people.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Valigon on June 25, 2006, 07:25:15 PM
personaly i have problems because im still conisdered a teen even though im an adult (18), and the rest of my team is 14, 15, 16, so we have problems because "we are teenagers, and are doing drugs, and having sex, and we are nothing but trouble" anyway the most weve had so far with actualy people bothering us (normaly we get really weird looks, but we got those anyway) is shadow and i were out practicing underbars in the back of a chruch, next to a bank, and the manager of the bank came out and told us to leave because if we got hurt then he was liable, and our parents would sue him.... i mean you would think he woulda said something bout cops, or woried about us getting hurt, nope he was woried about getting sued.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Cliff Boz on June 26, 2006, 04:29:19 AM
Yeah, you pretty much summed it up.  I don't even know if its pressure that other people put on me but more me doing it to myself.  I'm glad others feel the same way.  And I'm quite shocked to get this much response for my first post here in the main forums.

My suggestion, Shirobi, is to smile and acknowledge curious onlookers. Just a quick "hi" will usu be enough to either get them to leave you alone, or inquire what you are doing. If they do the latter, you can potentially have a good conversation and broaden someone's horizon a little, see? :)

I find that when you acknowledge them, it turns them as a spectator into the "spectated" to an extent. Make sense? They're standing on the sidelines, watching you probably similar to how most ppl watch TV - passive, uninvolved, unwatched, voyeuristically even. When you bring them out, it reverses the paradigm; involves them. ;)

You could also look at that social "block" as yet another obstacle to be passed, man. :D
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Mark Toorock on June 26, 2006, 05:08:12 AM
AD Titan was kind enough (or bored enough? :P) to go through and find all the related threads, at some point I'll try to string them together and make this a FAQ or sticky.

http://www.americanparkour.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,159/topic,1474.0
http://www.americanparkour.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,159/topic,1179.0
http://www.americanparkour.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,159/topic,1123.0
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Josh Maciel on June 26, 2006, 08:10:22 AM
personaly i have problems because im still conisdered a teen even though im an adult (18), and the rest of my team is 14, 15, 16, so we have problems because "we are teenagers, and are doing drugs, and having sex, and we are nothing but trouble" anyway the most weve had so far with actualy people bothering us (normaly we get really weird looks, but we got those anyway) is shadow and i were out practicing underbars in the back of a chruch, next to a bank, and the manager of the bank came out and told us to leave because if we got hurt then he was liable, and our parents would sue him.... i mean you would think he woulda said something bout cops, or woried about us getting hurt, nope he was woried about getting sued.
It's like the exact opposite for me. I'm 16 and everyone else is 20 and higher.
Also M2, I was kind and bored, it was raining outside so I couldn't really do anything.
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: Leap Frog on June 28, 2006, 11:30:31 AM
I personally like to train infront of people are get their looks. we dont have that big of scene here in minneapolis mn, and maybe i can spark someones interest. that an i just like getting looks for fun... i just just practicing kongs and double kongs over a picnic table today at my park and there were people all over doing their own thing and watching me. when i first started doing it, i couldnt kong the long way across and then i finally got it and a skater doing his own practicing and watching me applauded me, so that helped my image of skaters. then there were some other guys walking by when i barely cleared a double kong and talked to me a little but, one said do a backflip and i said i could but i just got the front flip, and he said i didnt see do it again, then just walked away.

so i havent had any troubles with spectators, people are just curious of something new. maybe its cuz im just weird like that, or still "young" (18) but it doesnt bother me
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: pointman323 on June 29, 2006, 03:27:00 AM
Valigon, i know exactly what you mean. My crew is viewed the same way, and it blows. we are practicing a discipline (sp?), and last i checked, martial arts was one too. so why are martial arts always hyped as an "anti-drug" activity. i just think its rediculous that people think of me, us, traceurs as vandals because we're "hopping over public property". ARENT WE THE PUBLIC?!
Title: Re: Dealing with spectators
Post by: shorty2020 on July 09, 2006, 01:33:58 PM
well on the point of cops never run. the worst they will do is say hey we need you to leave. funny story my crew and i were running and we got called on for skateboarding. when the cops came over we were more confused than them cause we had no skatebaords. so they said ok have a good day and be carefull.??? wierd eh