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Parkour and Freerunning => Parkour And Freerunning => Topic started by: wgross05 on June 03, 2006, 09:10:56 PM

Title: balance exercises
Post by: wgross05 on June 03, 2006, 09:10:56 PM
i was wondering if anyone knew of any good balance exercises because i have pretty bad balance. i try just walking on a rail or something every day, and incorporating balance into everday walking around, but is there anything more i could do?
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Rafe on June 03, 2006, 09:49:20 PM
Handstands are one of the best overall balance excercises because of the overal challenge to your brain. Just standing on one leg for an extended period of time is good you can make this more difficult by closing your eyes, then extending your other leg, to side, in front, behind etc. Find simple excercises that challenge your balance and repeat them regularly.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2006, 07:35:43 AM
go stand on a rail
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: The Manilla Gorilla on June 04, 2006, 07:51:10 AM
How do i get Better at Pull ups?
Do a Pull Up

How Do i get better at a Push up?
Do a Push Up

How do i get better at Balance?
Go balance on somthing
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: .Nico on June 04, 2006, 01:53:36 PM
word.

Also, try squats on a rail :), and cat balancing along a rail. This will be difficult at first, but if you do it along an inclined rail it is easier.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: ERI1044 on June 04, 2006, 02:51:36 PM
you could balance on a basketball
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Stereo29 on June 04, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
When you're walking on a rail, keep one foot angled and one foot straight, and don't slow down or stop.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Rafe on June 04, 2006, 10:13:20 PM
How do i get Better at Pull ups?
Do a Pull Up

How Do i get better at a Push up?
Do a Push Up

How do i get better at Balance?
Go balance on somthing

Thats a ridiculous false analogy, balance is not a simple excericse, its complex physiological attribute, like agility or power. As such have a good understanding of what balance actually is will give you a good idea of how to effectively train it, telling someone to go balance on something is about as helpfull as telling someone to go pick something up if someone wanted to get stronger. Read up one what balance is what and ways have been shown to effectively train the attribute. The excercise I suggest above are a good start.

Challenging your stablizing muscles will help to, work things like levers, scales, one armed planks. One excercise is doing quadrapedal movement on top of a narrow wall, rail or balance beam. 
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: The Manilla Gorilla on June 04, 2006, 11:32:12 PM
But for a beginner isnt the simplest thing instead of worrying about a stabilizing muscle, just go and keep walking on things narrower and narrower, unitll you reached a good one to drill on. When you need to get climb ups, the best way to train them is by doing climb ups.
Sure you could do a bunch of upper body exicerises but when it comes down to it, The best training for something, is Exactly what you are trying to do.


Now if you excuse me its 3:30 in the moring and i have a history paper to write!
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Altimot on June 04, 2006, 11:35:34 PM
well, I have been doing handstand push-ups for quite a while now and they have really not only helped my handstands quite a bit, but my balance overall has really improved. I dont know if this is just something with me but it worked.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Skipper on June 05, 2006, 04:54:49 AM
to help your balance, practice standing on a basketball. youll need many more corrective movements in your feet to do so, meaning a good balance on a b-ball will translate to a great balance on a rail.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: ERI1044 on June 05, 2006, 05:03:18 AM
exactly what i said!! but..then again thats what you told me so it all evens out  :P
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Mark Toorock on June 05, 2006, 06:21:21 AM
Manilla:

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The best training for something, is Exactly what you are trying to do.

Well, no, not always. That's what Faelcind is saying.

Think about this: People who make a mistake doing something often train that mistake until it is ingrained in their action.

So, often training components of something, especially a complex attribute like balance, is the best way to do it.

For your climb-ups example, you can exhaust yourself with the kick on the wall, a run-up, or the press over the wall, and then you've only trained the actual difficult part, the transition, about 10 times. But what if you isolated the difficult part, and trained only that sometimes, would you agree that this could be a better method to train for the end goal?

Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Polecat on June 05, 2006, 07:49:30 AM
I agree with M2 that training individual movements is just as important as training the whole.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Valigon on June 05, 2006, 10:45:23 AM
I to agree with M2, you see this training technique a lot in other things, like music, when practicing a paticular peice it does no good to practice something your allready good at or the whole thing, you need to break it into smaller parts and practice those, this gives you a better practice on the harder parts. same thing applys to Parkour and everything else in the world that takes practice
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Mark Toorock on June 05, 2006, 12:24:58 PM
This reminds me of a quote by M2: "Use your strengths, train your weaknesses" ... in other words, when it comes time for action, use the things you KNOW how to do well and you know will work, and when it comes time for practice, practice the things you don't do well, the "other" areas, the things you need improvement on.

Of course if you ONLY practiced parts and not the whole then it wouldn't fit back together, so it's necessarry (as in all things) to balance.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: ERI1044 on June 05, 2006, 02:36:17 PM
couldn't you just say "use your strenghts, train your weaknesses" instead of saying it reminded you of a quote that you said?
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: The Manilla Gorilla on June 05, 2006, 03:06:05 PM
Instead of doing either or, you could just do both.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Mark Toorock on June 05, 2006, 07:16:18 PM
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couldn't you just say "use your strenghts, train your weaknesses" instead of saying it reminded you of a quote that you said?

No, it's much more fun to quote myself in the third person  :P
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Stereo29 on June 05, 2006, 07:17:31 PM
Do you think basketball balancing will help with handstands as well?
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Gareth EE Field on June 05, 2006, 08:59:45 PM
balance is complex? i thought it was just keeping your COG over the point of contact as long as you can and let your proprioception deal with it
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Daniel Faulkner on June 06, 2006, 09:40:10 AM
Something that I've noticed when walking on a rail.  When you are taking your next step.  Swing your leg out and around in a half oval and point your toes.  IF  you do this instead of just picking up your feet and putting them back down it will increase your stability.  The swing alows  you to keep you weight centered over the rail.  The pointing toe will keep all of your leg muscles tense and therefore increase stability.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Rafe on June 06, 2006, 02:13:07 PM
Twitch Kid, think about it how does your body do that act of balancing, you mention proprioception, you realize that proprioception is complex right? Well balancing  process of the brain using mainly visual, and proprioceptive information to know were it is in space, the inner ear canals are especially important in transmiting the needed information to the brain but our brain uses all the bodies mechanorecptors to formulate balance.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: CyanideSoda on June 06, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
I don't know, you should PM the guy that can balance a cell phone, or sunglasses on his nose. And a plank of wood on his chin. I'm sure he knows alot about balance.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: The Manilla Gorilla on June 06, 2006, 02:42:59 PM
Twitch Kid, think about it how does your body do that act of balancing, you mention proprioception, you realize that proprioception is complex right? Well balancing  process of the brain using mainly visual, and proprioceptive information to know were it is in space, the inner ear canals are especially important in transmiting the needed information to the brain but our brain uses all the bodies mechanorecptors to formulate balance.

He was being Sarcastic (where is that smiley!!)
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Maltise on June 07, 2006, 02:43:33 PM
When I train with dumbells in a gym, I balance on them. Like whenever I do an exercise standing up, I'll pick out a 15 to 10 pound weight, set it vertically (flat side up) and balance on one foot while I work my triceps or biceps. I alternate feet per set of the exercise.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: ~Bry~ on June 07, 2006, 04:35:41 PM
My two favorite balance exercises:

Tie a rope tightly between two trees and practice standing and then walking on it. you WILL fall, but practice makes perfect.

Ride the public transit(metro, subway, bus etc.) and stand up the whole ride without holding the rail. Make sure it is at a time the lines aren't busy so you dont fall on anyone and hurt them.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: DistortedTruth on June 07, 2006, 04:41:03 PM
Dunno if this has been said, but:

gear told me walking on all fours down a stair works balance.  I tried it.  Yeah...it does.  LOL.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: FrostBite795 on June 07, 2006, 10:41:01 PM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/frostbite795/Balancingcollagecopy.jpg)
(center photo copyright JumpOffMyRoof)

Haha, CyanideSoda, I'm flattered you'd mention me.  Sadly, this skill doesn't translate directly to bodily balance.  I can't say much more than twitchkidd said before-- if you keep the contact point directly below the center of gravity, it balances.  One thing I can say for sure is that balance takes practice-- this isn't an inborn talent.
Title: Re: balance exercises
Post by: Cliff Boz on June 08, 2006, 05:02:02 AM
Yea you are def a rock star with the balancing, the yo-yo tricks, juggling, etc, FrostBite. So, would balancing things on your face translate to balancing on your face on the ground?? You could look at it as having to keep the Earth's center of gravity over the contact point... right?  ;D