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Title: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Mathew on May 23, 2006, 10:21:22 AM
Don't you hate it when people look at parkour stuff and go :Oh that's easy! I can do that!"? It just makes me so friken mad!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

edit: M2 changed title. We should make this one into a sticky or something, we all run into this so often!
Title: Re: Don't you hate it when...
Post by: Pat Kerby on May 23, 2006, 10:46:54 AM
Probably the only person who would say such a thing is someone that is a good enough athelete where it is easy for them....and that makes me mad, in a jealous sort of way.  I know a gymnast who tried it for the first time a while ago and was doing impossible things on his first day.  That made me mad, but it was cool to watch.
Title: Re: Don't you hate it when...
Post by: Niroshine on May 23, 2006, 11:17:38 AM
Pat Kerby, I wouldn't be so mad at a gymnast if he was good AND modest, but if he was like, "Omg, this is so easy. I pwnz0r u", then yeah, I'll be mad too lol. Although I think Matthew's talking about other people watching and saying they can do it without actually trying it themselves.
Title: Re: Don't you hate it when...
Post by: Flippusmn on May 23, 2006, 11:38:40 AM
Yeah I know what you mean, thats the reason a lot of people don't do PK around here. They just think either it's stupid or it looks too easy because your just on your feet.  :-\
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Gearsighted on May 23, 2006, 11:56:43 AM
See, I used to get that a lot from just normal people. When you are training the basics at a small level it does look rather easy. Needless to say if any of the naysayers tried it they would realize that it's a bit harder than they assumed. Either way, doesn't bother me what they think, as that's not why I'm out there busting my ass :p
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Argon on May 23, 2006, 12:39:15 PM
I think the problem is two fold; first, liitle to nothing about parkour bespeaks a great deal of difficulty. We're not (typicly) doing anything flashy or fliping over everything in sight. When you get right down to it, parkour could be described as "running around and jumping". We know that's not what it's about, but it dosn't come across to a casual observer.

Second, if you're doing it right, all the moves you do look really easy. Since you're trying to do everything as smoothly and quietly as possible, parkour looks easy to do by design.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: FreeStyleFox on May 23, 2006, 12:59:22 PM
Lol, there was this kid at the court house the other day.  He tried to tell me he could do a turn vault at hight with out even thinking about it, but he wouldn't even try it.  He said it would take less coordination then the length of his pinky.  For most of these people when it comes time to put up or shut up, they never put up.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Pat Kerby on May 23, 2006, 08:28:48 PM
Let's face it, Parkour is easy....as long as you have strength, speed, agility, skill, precision, control, and endurance.  Correct me if I left anything out.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Asa Liebmann on May 23, 2006, 09:37:23 PM
The beautiful thing about parkour is that it acts as a windsheild wiper of sorts for our social perspective. It clears all of the filth of traditional movement, the pollen-haze of believing that you need to please or impress everyone and the birdshit that is adherence to the notions of what we are and aren't "supposed to do," set by looking only to the past, and not to urgency of the present, or to preparation for the future, and the road ahead.

Once we clear all of these obstructions, we can see clearly, without the restraints that blur the vision of others...
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Asa Liebmann on May 23, 2006, 09:39:39 PM
Basically where I was going with this is: Do you  care if a stranger or even a friend thinks that what you do looks easy? Do you want your movements to impress someone? What is the purpose for what you're doing? Is it for yourself? Is it for attention? Is it for fun?

Those are a few things to ask yourself.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: ERI1044 on May 24, 2006, 04:34:46 AM
yeah i rarely do parkour around anyone that doesn't do parkour...i'm really shy about it...

and when some people do come a long and say "oh that's easy" or "i can do that" i just ask them to join me...then they try to do a monkey or a kong and f#ck up and i have a good laugh :D
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Gareth EE Field on May 24, 2006, 10:52:21 AM
it's hard to deal with people like that. if you say, no, don't do it, you'll get hurt, they'll do it. if you say yea, it's not that hard but hey, it's fun, they might still try it and get hurt.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Altimot on May 24, 2006, 01:52:57 PM
when i tell people about pk, like in class or something where i cant show them any moves or things, they dont believe me cause the way i look. They think im too scrawny or something and they just keep saying "sure, you can...". But once i get out of class i tell them that if they can do one of these moves then ill shut up and admit im bad at it, but if you cant do any of them then you admit that i can do parkour. Then, it usually ends up me doing some stuff that they cant get themselves to even attempt and it puts pk in a better light than it was before because it seems like somebody says that they want to start practicing pk after all of this has happened.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Asa Liebmann on May 24, 2006, 02:01:21 PM
This thread offers a VERY disturbing gague at people's motives...
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Altimot on May 24, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
This thread offers a VERY disturbing gague at people's motives...

why disturbing? I guess my post made it seem like i do pk for attention but that only happens if im talking about pk with my pk friends and somebody overhears us and asks us about it. In fact im not into pk for showing off...well its hard not to sometimes, but i do more pk by myself at home than anywhere else.

Anyway, what im trying to get at is why is it disturbing what peoples motives are...i mean unless its something like rob a bank, why does it matter if somebody is doing pk for the attention or any other reason? If they put pk in a positive light so it gets the same attention in would otherwise then why is it disturbing? i could see interesting instead but you make it seem like you just found out darth vader is your dad. lol.

Maybe im taking your post too literally but then again maybe im not and i am curious as to your word choice. Im not saying your stupid or insulting you or something like that. im just trying to get your point of view. ;)
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Valigon on May 24, 2006, 08:11:15 PM
Let's face it, Parkour is easy....as long as you have strength, speed, agility, skill, precision, control, and endurance.  Correct me if I left anything out.

Really you dont NEED them per say, i mean iv been doing parkour for 6 months, i cant do a single pull up (or musle up) i have hardly any agility, a little skill, no precision, control is gone, and i couldnt run a 1/4 mile if i had to, but i go out and have fun doing it anyway, i just gota take more brakes is all... as for people sayin oh i can do that, i was doing a david belle climb out infron of my school, and some punk walks up says "psh thats easy, i could do that!" well he got halfway, then lost it cus his hands were to high for his feet, and fell 4 feet on his face, gota bloody nose, he got up and said something along the lines of "maybe not" then he left to get tissues for his nose. gave him props for trying though. most people dont put out when they talk out.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Mathew on May 25, 2006, 10:28:37 AM
Ok for that second post, the person i heard said is in NO WAY athletic. If they even atempted this kinda thing, they'd break their neck!
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: psycosis12 on May 25, 2006, 11:48:11 AM
haha someone told me it was easy today, they said they tried it yesterday going over a small wall, and he hit his knee! i laughed so hard, now he knows its kinda difficult!
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Corndogg on May 26, 2006, 08:01:52 AM
not really.  if someone says "that looks easy" i take it as a compliment - it hopefully means my flow is really smooth and my movements are very efficient!

and as people have said, a good response is "ok you try it"  ;)
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Pat Kerby on May 26, 2006, 09:21:33 AM
I would phrase it "you are welcome to join me".  Less of a challenge, and if they happen to be better than I am (which is likely in my case) them maybe I've found a new person to practice with.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Mark Toorock on May 26, 2006, 10:16:44 AM
I gotta say I'm with Pat on this ... "why not join me" ...

this:
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haha someone told me it was easy today, they said they tried it yesterday going over a small wall, and he hit his knee! i laughed so hard, now he knows its kinda difficult!

is a crappy elitist attitude .. "I can do it and it's hard and you can't" ... if all the people you met first told you that, you'd be sitting on your ass playing X-box.

The idea of Parkour is NOT to do things so you can show off, or say to other people "I'm better because I can do this" ...

the idea is to become useful so you can help others. Let's try that on for size, how did each person here HELP someone else today?
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: EonBlueApocolypse on May 26, 2006, 10:45:38 AM
I totally agree with Asa on this one and I will interpret and back up his statement from my own perspective.

First of all, I'd like to reccommend an article from urbanfreeflow that's highly relevant to this subject for those of you who are interested:
http://www.urbanfreeflow.com/the_core_level/pages/archives/parkour_and_perception.htm (http://www.urbanfreeflow.com/the_core_level/pages/archives/parkour_and_perception.htm)

I believe anyone who takes on the role of a traceur must first analyzse his or her motives for accepting this challenge, as with any new activity or challenge one might embrace.  If you read up on the philosophy of parkour from those who started it, you'll find it deals with being healthy, overcoming obstacles, challenging oneself, and freedom - ideals which will yield positive results and a great degree of personal fullfillment (refer to "What Parkour Is" on the main page of this site).  If you are practicing parkour just so that you can impress people with your skills, I don't believe you will get very far and you are much more succeptible to embarassment and injury (refer to "What Parkour Is Not" on the main page of this site -- a quote: "It is also not "What you make of it" ... it is predefined and has a purpose, if something doesn't suit that purpose, it is not Parkour.").

My reasons for taking on this viewpoint are that if you are trying to impress someone as your performing a feat, your mind is not 100% focused on the task at hand and you are also much more likely to do something that is beyond your capability just because someone will be impressed if you do.  These will eventually result in serious injury or worse.  It will also severely inhibit your progress due to the fact that your motives to advance and succeed are not your own but rather they are based on what will satisfy onlookers.  These are clear reasons why it is not wise or practical to take up this activity just to impress people.  I won't say any more on this since I'd just be repeating an idea that's already been well expressed in the above article which I've reccommended.

Returning to the topic at hand, I have attemted to explain why one's concern should not be "who is watching me and what do they think" but something more along the lines of "what am I doing and what do I think of it.  Paying any attention to onlookers is a mis-allocation of a highly important resource: your focus.

Please bear in mind I am not trying to attack anyone or their opinions, rather I am trying to make clear why I believe their motives to be invalid and even harmful.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Mark Toorock on May 26, 2006, 12:02:37 PM
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Returning to the topic at hand, I have attemted to explain why one's concern should not be "who is watching me and what do they think" but something more along the lines of "what am I doing and what do I think of it.  Paying any attention to onlookers is a mis-allocation of a highly important resource: your focus.

that's a GREAT point!
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: psycosis12 on May 26, 2006, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: M2
is a crappy elitist attitude .. "I can do it and it's hard and you can't" ... if all the people you met first told you that, you'd be sitting on your ass playing X-box.
well you don't know me very well, because i take difficult things and practice and practice, if i don't succeed after a certain amount of time then i stop sooooooooo don't judge me dude
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: ERI1044 on May 26, 2006, 02:32:12 PM
i don't think anyone here really ment that they would push someone to do anything that is extremly dangerous...we'd maybe let them try it out and when they mess up (or if) then we'd help em out by showing correct technique... it's not like they'd see us jumping off a 10 foot wall and say "oh that's easy" and then we'd go on to say "haha let me see you try!" ....but if that situation did happen then he's probably a stunt guy or a traceur...
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Mark Toorock on May 26, 2006, 02:43:32 PM
"sooooooooo don't judge me dude"

Fair enough psycosis12, I won't judge whether if the first time you bailed everyone laughed you'd still be doing it,  but laughing at someone who tried it and got hurt sucks.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: psycosis12 on May 26, 2006, 03:05:37 PM
naw the first time i bailed eugene and eli was all worried, and it was like a 1 foot fall, hahaha i didn't even hurt, it acutally got me a little heated that they thought i was fragile!
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Altimot on May 26, 2006, 03:13:41 PM
well, econblueapacolypse, you didnt answer my question. I know that doing parkour with the motive of just wanting to show off wont get you far in pk and all that other stuff you are saying, that is true, i agree, but what i was asking is why is it DISTURBING? I will agree that it is very interesting but disturbing...
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: EonBlueApocolypse on May 26, 2006, 03:34:21 PM
I believe he is disturbed so see that so many members have this improper motive.
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Olloth Kenson on May 26, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
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i could see interesting instead but you make it seem like you just found out darth vader is your dad. lol.

Slightly off topic, but I would be soooo happy if I found out Darth Vader was my dad. I'd be like "Join you or die? That's a stupid question, lets go kick some Jedi ass!"

I think I speak for the whole of the american parkour community when I say, "We do it to impress ourselves first and foremost, and impressing someone else is an added bonus" That seems to be the general idea around here, and what I believe in. I don't try something for the first time to impress someone, I try something for the first time to see if I can, and work myself to it, and if I know I can do it, then I'll show someone else and bask in self accomplishment. =P
Title: Re: Onlookers calling it "easy" ...
Post by: Altimot on May 27, 2006, 04:49:28 PM
ya dude, i would love darth vader as a dad lol.