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Title: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Parker on August 26, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
well I just went to Rock Ridge elementary school to do some training and I was told to leave. I went after the school was out around 5:30 pm and there was no children around. I did a wall run and they told me to leave; the man didnt know what parkour was so I told him and he said "I don't care what your doing and you need to leave." And all the while there was a skateboarder and a group of high schoolers playing football(not teams just friends) and he didn't say anything to them. I wasn't doing anything to harm the property or anything bad. Parkour is just so misunderstood and seemingly shunned upon sometimes. A question to all... when will parkour be looked at as a normal activity like other physical bodied disciplines such as biking skateboarding or martial arts? Things like this make me very sad and angry at the ignorant people putting down parkour.  :'( >:(
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Salvato on August 26, 2008, 06:32:25 PM
don't even mention parkour to these people....

when someonel ike this approaches you, dont try to explain anything...

just say, sorry sir, i really don't mean any trouble, im just training, if its a problem I'll leave.

Usually, this changes their mind, if not, they can't be mad at you and oyu know its not a good place to train.

Also, how old are you?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Parker on August 26, 2008, 09:29:33 PM
Yea well I wont be anymore, and I was very respectful to the man and willingly complied with his request. At the moment I am looking for new spots. oh and im 21 years old
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Jake Smith on August 29, 2008, 05:19:31 AM
People may not ever understand us.









We should cut ourselves. :-\
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Derik (QuikSilva) DaSilva on August 29, 2008, 08:53:38 AM
You may also want to try going back in a few days and ask to see the principal. If the man who spoke to you was the principle, you can explain to him what it is you are trying to achieve. If the principal isn't who you spoke to, describe what it is you're doing, why you want to do it, and if you have permission. If you get approached again just say, "So-and-so said I was okay to train here when there aren't any kids around." or what-not. Give it a shot. The worst that'll happen is: he'll say no.

P.S. Where is this Rock Ridge Elementary?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Parker on August 29, 2008, 06:30:28 PM
hey thats a good idea. Rock ridge is in castle rock colorado. The only thing im a little worried about is that they do say no and then I will have no place to really train in castle rock. Most other places in castle rock dont want us there.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Derik (QuikSilva) DaSilva on August 29, 2008, 10:49:34 PM
It's all about talking to the right people at the right time. Maybe try putting a little presentation started, or starting a club at rock ridge... that's about all I got left for ya...
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Li0nheart on August 30, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
Derik, remember that conversation with Matt? The one where he said somethign to the effect of; he couldn't wait till the day comes that you see "No Parkour" signs because just like what happened with skateboarding the "No Skateboarding " signs went up and over night skate parks became a big thing. Someday they will put up signs saying we can't train "No Parkour" then it'll happen we'll have specifically made Parkour Parks for us to run, jump, climb, and any other verb we can think of in.

Anything NEW will be a struggle but one day we'll be commended not condemned
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Salvato on August 30, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
wouldn't it be better to be free of "no parkour" signs AND have special parks for it?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Jake Smith on August 30, 2008, 11:46:24 PM
I love the optimism.

Personally, I'll disregard their shitty signs if it ever happens.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Maverick219 on September 01, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
a "no parkour" sign would be a great decoration to go with the no skating signs collected to lol. parkour is meant for the street. a park would be great for fine tuning but just like skateboarding nothing beats finding a killer spot or just doing a run in random places. just my little input
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Jesse Clark on September 01, 2008, 06:09:33 PM
People may not ever understand us.









We should cut ourselves. :-\

I....I already do.  :'(
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Holland Wilson on September 01, 2008, 07:25:13 PM
Personally, I'll disregard their shitty signs if it ever happens.
It would be fairly easy. Skateboarding is a specific activity that requires a certain piece of equipment. Parkour is an activity, but it's hardly specific and it requires legs (or not even that, if you're good enough at hand-walking and brachiating). You can't ban running, and it would look asinine for people to forbid athletes training on, say, concrete benches (since, unlike skateboarding, running and jumping usually leaves no marks and therefore cannot be considered vandalism). If somebody told you to stop and cited parkour, ask them what parkour is. If they have a bias against it, they won't be able to give you a good answer (because people who actually know what it is are generally practitioners) and you can be vague about it.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Jake Smith on September 03, 2008, 11:42:12 AM
People may not ever understand us.









We should cut ourselves. :-\

I....I already do.  :'(

I know.  I watch you in the shower.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Li0nheart on September 09, 2008, 09:55:33 PM
LOVE IT, we have minds working and with a overtone of rebelion.  "VIVA LA REVOLUTION" or what have you
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Wyo Daniel on October 01, 2008, 11:40:26 PM
This, of course, is what came to mind as soon as someone mentioned a "No parkour" sign :

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/beijmah/NOPARKOURtypeEXERCISE.jpg)

I do believe that one day, parkour will become as... commonly known as skateboarding is today. If there's a skater practicing his kick flips or whatever, no one asks him "What are you doing?", because everyone knows perfectly well what skateboarding is. It's very well-known, as are its damaging effects on some property, which is why "No skateboarding signs" are commonplace. However, this does not mean that once parkour grows more well-known, there will be more signs like the one above; as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, parkour generally does not leave any marks on or damage anything.

On a different note, I have no clue where Rock Ridge is, but the entire time I was reading this thread, the stuipid Rock Ridge theme from Blazing Saddles kept running through my head...
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: THEHELPERS on June 22, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
i got yelled at for being on a play ground by some stupid mom, i told here i was just balancing on a pole but she just flipped even more and told me to leave, the truth is not a lot of people don't like or even care about parkour. it makes me sad to see such a passion of hate against such a peaceful activity :( 
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: AdmirePhotography on July 09, 2009, 09:49:58 AM
If the equipment was designed for a child and you're 170 pounds then an officer might not side with you. However if someone is harassing you, politely ask them to leave you alone. If you're not causing a disturbance, endangering any person or property or damaging anything, then their harassment is a breach of the peace and is the only infringement of law. Being extra polite in a situation like this will really work for you and may end the problem. Keep communication to a minimum, polite but brief.  As a last resort call the cops before they do. You can call 911 and report the harassment without requiring an officer attend. In Colorado Springs (El Paso) you are highly unlikely to have an officer attend due to the stretched budget this year. So unless there is a imminent threat f physical harm no-ones gonna come. Just state you wanted to report it to the record so in the event the harasser decides to escalate it into something physical your location is on record for a more efficient response buy the PD. 911 will make a report and you've done the right thing. The harasser will back down or get their friends. Either way the call to 911 is a good thing to do.

Getting in their face about your rights leading to a loud or violent confrontation would feel better at the time but would the worst thing you could possibly do. Bad for you, bad for the reputation of your sport.

If you're on private land and are asked to leave. Leave immediately, no option on that one. As a non parkour participant I can tell you it is perceived as a pretty dangerous sport, which opens up liability to the landowner by allowing you on to their property. As most buildings are privately owned you're going to have issues with being asked to leave. Banning parkour is a bit tricky as when does running and jumping become parkour? You can't ban a person from running so asking someone to leave your property is not ambiguous. Think of it from their point of view. Why would they let you jump on/off their stuff and risk possible injury and lawsuit. A signed disclaimer might help but I'd be very surprised if someone responsible for a government building like a school, would give permission. Possibility a private building like a mall, but even then it's easier just to play it safe and say no.

You have the right to use a public space and, again, if you're not causing a disturbance, endangering any person or property or damaging anything you have the right to do as you please.

(This is not legal advice!!)
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: THEHELPERS on July 15, 2009, 08:21:50 AM
i was not doing any thing wrong, its public land and i was doing no jumps of any sort, so she should have kept her awful comment to her self and leave be. by the way im not super heavy and i gave u good karma on your speech, it was fantastic ;D
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: AdmirePhotography on July 29, 2009, 01:02:20 PM
Thanks mate. It's not that different for us photographers :)
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Degenerate Prophet on July 29, 2009, 02:30:02 PM
I think when most people see parkour they think of it in the same way as they would graffiti. Not saying it makes sense, but that's what it feels like.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: dilet2e on July 30, 2009, 12:12:50 PM
I happen to be reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie... seems to me some of his principles would be useful here. There are chapters on how to talk to people who are disagreeing with you, how to win people over to your point of view, etc. I can't be more specific because I've barely absorbed it myself. But this book is available everywhere, including libraries.  ;)
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Degenerate Prophet on July 30, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
Jedi mind tricks... mwa ha ha....  [WTF]
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: ron costello 3rd on August 02, 2009, 04:39:42 AM
H :'(ay chris another thing happend chase and eric got kicked off csu? When will the day come that we can train in piece.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: toxinsedge on August 03, 2009, 06:08:06 AM
Parkour is all about freedom of the body and of the sould. I believe that if "No Parkour" signs were put into place it would ruin our self expression and freedom. We as traceurs would not be able to express ourselves. We would not be able to set forth specific goals for us to overcome. Parkour is a natural human activity and by taking away that activity and putting up a "No Parkour" sign would be like having a "No Breathing" sign. Parkour is relatively harmless compared to skateboarding in that the objective is to overcome and clear some obstacle and to be able to adapt to whatever enviroment you are in. By banning parkour or by putting "No Parkour" signs into place destroys the traceurs hopes, dreamsand ultimately destroys the sport and the ideaology of the sport. 
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: David Jones on August 03, 2009, 07:26:58 AM
People may not ever understand us.









We should cut ourselves. :-\

I....I already do.  :'(

I know.  I watch you in the shower.

Can I join you?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Degenerate Prophet on August 04, 2009, 05:23:23 AM
Parkour is all about freedom of the body and of the sould. I believe that if "No Parkour" signs were put into place it would ruin our self expression and freedom. We as traceurs would not be able to express ourselves. We would not be able to set forth specific goals for us to overcome. Parkour is a natural human activity and by taking away that activity and putting up a "No Parkour" sign would be like having a "No Breathing" sign. Parkour is relatively harmless compared to skateboarding in that the objective is to overcome and clear some obstacle and to be able to adapt to whatever enviroment you are in. By banning parkour or by putting "No Parkour" signs into place destroys the traceurs hopes, dreamsand ultimately destroys the sport and the ideaology of the sport. 

Honeestly, if they did do that, do you really think that'd stop us? If anything I'd train harder so I don't get caught when they call the police.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: toxinsedge on August 04, 2009, 06:53:32 AM
Parkour is all about freedom of the body and of the sould. I believe that if "No Parkour" signs were put into place it would ruin our self expression and freedom. We as traceurs would not be able to express ourselves. We would not be able to set forth specific goals for us to overcome. Parkour is a natural human activity and by taking away that activity and putting up a "No Parkour" sign would be like having a "No Breathing" sign. Parkour is relatively harmless compared to skateboarding in that the objective is to overcome and clear some obstacle and to be able to adapt to whatever enviroment you are in. By banning parkour or by putting "No Parkour" signs into place destroys the traceurs hopes, dreamsand ultimately destroys the sport and the ideaology of the sport. 

Honeestly, if they did do that, do you really think that'd stop us? If anything I'd train harder so I don't get caught when they call the police.

I dont think it would stop us... but why break the law and run from the police cause then all that you are doing is giving parkour a bad name/reputation and making it harder for everone else in the sport to practice. Personaly i dont believe that they will start mass producing "no parkour" signs. I was just going from a hypothetical stand point. If this were to happen in my town or training grounds (no parkour signs) then i would just respectfully move on to a different area to practice. In that way it wouldnt stop us.


Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Degenerate Prophet on August 04, 2009, 07:14:20 AM
-But think about it. when crap like that happens it's only because on a mass scale it's not approved of anyway. Thare's not that many good parkour places anyway. Sadly, the good ones are the places where signs like that would end up. I mentioned on another thread it feels like people view parkour in the same light as they do graffiti. Do you know anyone who wants you tagging in their neighborhood?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: toxinsedge on August 04, 2009, 08:55:03 AM
I completely agree. For some reason parkour is looked down upon, for what reasons i know not. For the most part we as traceurs attempt to 'leave no trace' and try to be respectful as possible, and yet we are still looked down upon within society. They seem to see us as punks who care for nothing but themselves when actually it is the complete opposite. I think that we as traceurs should begin educating the world about the true ideaology of parkour and its true motives. that is why i believe running from the cops is something we must not do as it will make the police and society look at us as felons and punks. I think we slowly need to start bringing parkour and its true motives into the realm of society. I think the best thing for one individual traceur to do to is to train and still remain respectful, calm, responsible, and helpful to try to bring a positive light to parkour and to make it so that people dont see it as grafitti but yet as an art of freedom.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Chris Salvato on August 04, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Supposing it doesn't get banned and fall under illegal connotations ...which isn't unlikely.... Look at what people can do with parkour. It's like anything, the more you expose something, the larger the audience. The larger the audience, the more people who'll use it to their own ends. If that happens, imagine the types of things people would do with it. Parkour would be an extremely useful tool to achieve unlawful ends. As such it will be looked down upon even more, possibly to a dwindling PK population and we'd end up like the Runners on Mirror's Edge. -And don't think that ain't possible -in the near future even. All it takes is one coup, one power-crazed lying president, one nuclear massacre, one minor shift in any major balance of power. It's not thought about much, but literally, our lives are at the hands of some crack mental cases in other countries who have enough money to get their hands on nukes. Hostile takeover. From there it wouldn't even be PK being looked down upon. It'd just be the freedom of the expression itself under the guise of it being a threat to law enforcement. -But America could say that as it is now. Yer average cop probably couldn't catch half of us. It's just good that most of the people on this forum seem to be well-to-do and respectful. Excuse me for my negative thinking, but it's true. People look down upon anything that doesn't show us in divine light. Religious people tend to be horrified and will argue to the death against us coming from primates. Dinosaurs? Fabricated. Evolutionary theory? Hogwash. If is true, parkour is one of the purest ways of expressing it. There's no point because people were created by God so your argument doesn't work.
See where this is going?
As you can see, there are dozens of unfavorable situations. Where defiance would be the only option. It's ridiculous. The world is ridiculous. That's why I run. I don't need the world dictating what I do. Paths in life should be dictated between you and and Fate.

Moving along....
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Christian Greene on August 05, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Chris... your karma is 303!! Too bad you live in the 719!
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Spirit on September 07, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
I Think we should start making the parks mentioned in the thread.  Like a Ninja warrior obstacle course or something of the sort.  If we get people to see the sport more then they may be more willing to accept us.
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: dstrat33 on August 05, 2010, 07:21:17 PM
we just gata work through it you know. like skate/snow boarding was hated for years before it became accepted and still around my town skateboarders still have a bad rep they just think we are people jumping off things and we dont have any experience with it things will get better its just a matter of when
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: hfksla on August 05, 2010, 08:17:02 PM
parkour parks, great for training i guess... but not for running
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: Slpy on April 22, 2011, 04:11:46 PM
This, of course, is what came to mind as soon as someone mentioned a "No parkour" sign :

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/beijmah/NOPARKOURtypeEXERCISE.jpg)

I do believe that one day, parkour will become as... commonly known as skateboarding is today. If there's a skater practicing his kick flips or whatever, no one asks him "What are you doing?", because everyone knows perfectly well what skateboarding is. It's very well-known, as are its damaging effects on some property, which is why "No skateboarding signs" are commonplace. However, this does not mean that once parkour grows more well-known, there will be more signs like the one above; as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, parkour generally does not leave any marks on or damage anything.

On a different note, I have no clue where Rock Ridge is, but the entire time I was reading this thread, the stuipid Rock Ridge theme from Blazing Saddles kept running through my head...

Damn man :/ is this a real sign?
Title: Re: parkour... so misunderstood
Post by: jaycee on June 12, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Back when I was in California, we had an officer tell us that we couldn't train on any city property. We were at a school at the time (on the weekend), so I can sort of understand why they wouldn't let us practice there... but you're really gonna tell me I can't practice vaulting over picnic tables at the park down the street? ^_-

I usually get to be the guy who goes to explain what we're doing ('cause I'm in the military, which causes cops to interact with me like an adult rather than a kid) and often we just get told to be careful and not be disruptive.