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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2010, 05:47:00 PM »
peanuts are actually legumes

beans and legumes are pretty much interchangeable in terms of what food group they actually are.

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #101 on: April 30, 2010, 03:29:11 PM »
Well, if you are really going to want to follow the Paleolithic Diet, you are going to need to throw in some insects, as well as rabbit, squirrel, a WHOLE lot of deer...

Basically, it's great to eat healthier, but trying to do it with "What we have available to us today" is not going to equal the same nutritional intake they had. For instance, when they consumed rabbits and squirrels, did they eat some of the small bones along with the meat? That might explain why some on this diet today suffer from reduced levels of calcium.

You know, just try to use some common sense, and DON'T believe everything you read on these diet sites. They, like a lot of places out there, are just trying to make a buck. (And yes, they make money from ads everytime you visit their site) The more "realistic" it sounds, the more people will visit, the more money they make.

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #102 on: April 30, 2010, 03:52:42 PM »
Well, if you are really going to want to follow the Paleolithic Diet, you are going to need to throw in some insects, as well as rabbit, squirrel, a WHOLE lot of deer...

Basically, it's great to eat healthier, but trying to do it with "What we have available to us today" is not going to equal the same nutritional intake they had. For instance, when they consumed rabbits and squirrels, did they eat some of the small bones along with the meat? That might explain why some on this diet today suffer from reduced levels of calcium.

You know, just try to use some common sense, and DON'T believe everything you read on these diet sites. They, like a lot of places out there, are just trying to make a buck. (And yes, they make money from ads everytime you visit their site) The more "realistic" it sounds, the more people will visit, the more money they make.



Thanks for that straw man argument that added nothing to the conversation.
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #103 on: April 30, 2010, 04:11:50 PM »
Well, if you are really going to want to follow the Paleolithic Diet, you are going to need to throw in some insects, as well as rabbit, squirrel, a WHOLE lot of deer...

Basically, it's great to eat healthier, but trying to do it with "What we have available to us today" is not going to equal the same nutritional intake they had. For instance, when they consumed rabbits and squirrels, did they eat some of the small bones along with the meat? That might explain why some on this diet today suffer from reduced levels of calcium.

You know, just try to use some common sense, and DON'T believe everything you read on these diet sites. They, like a lot of places out there, are just trying to make a buck. (And yes, they make money from ads everytime you visit their site) The more "realistic" it sounds, the more people will visit, the more money they make.



What is the take home message here?  Paleo is pretty legit, though its not some end-all-be-all.

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2010, 04:31:32 PM »
Never mind, I've already wasted enough of my time here.
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2010, 04:16:42 PM »
Yeah the first time my family ate lean hamburger meat everyone in the house(even the dog who we gave a pinch of it to) was sick for a week

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #106 on: June 08, 2010, 07:34:58 PM »
Sounds like a case of bad meat, not lean meat...

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2010, 01:39:33 PM »
I think this is cool, I heard about it before. I would do most of it, but I don't care what ANYTHING says, I like milk to much. =D

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2010, 09:11:11 AM »
I guess what Frosty is saying is that its not a TRUE paleo diet. If it were, it would've included all those things he mentioned.

It's more of an updated, modern paleo diet.
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2010, 04:36:32 PM »
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2011, 11:55:02 AM »
i origanilly don't drink soda often (i always fell like i'm gonna puke when i have the diet shit) so i guess i'm ok on that part. i'm gonna have to get the guts to tell my dad i'm not interested in pankackes in the morning, though. hate beans. i guess i was on the right track in the first place!

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #111 on: January 26, 2011, 09:35:09 PM »
I think my love of beer would make me fail at this diet.

For those on the diet, how does alcohol (specifically beer) affect you, as opposed to how it would affect you before the diet.

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2011, 11:51:00 PM »
So...

What do these "toxins" actually do?

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2011, 03:17:12 PM »
I think my love of beer would make me fail at this diet.

For those on the diet, how does alcohol (specifically beer) affect you, as opposed to how it would affect you before the diet.

Beer contains a lot of carbs, >_>

So...

What do these "toxins" actually do?

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Which ones?

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #114 on: February 07, 2011, 08:34:42 PM »

Which ones?

You know,

the "antinutrients" or whatever that they say are in bread and beans and potatoes and such.

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #115 on: February 07, 2011, 10:05:37 PM »
You know,

the "antinutrients" or whatever that they say are in bread and beans and potatoes and such.

What on earth are you talking about?  Can we get an article or quote?

Are you talking about gluten?

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #116 on: February 07, 2011, 10:32:12 PM »
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· Cooking destroys most but not all of the toxins. Insufficient cooking can lead to sickness such as acute gastroenteritis.
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· Contain toxins in small amounts
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As grains, beans and potatoes form such a large proportion of the modern diet, you can now understand why it is so common for people to feel they need supplements or that they need to detoxify (ie that they have toxins in their system)- indeed both feelings are absolutely correct.
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when people go on detoxification diets they unfortunately often consume even more Neolithic foods (eg soy beans) and therefore more toxins than usual
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The reason why grains, beans and potatoes store so well is simply because of the toxins that they contain.
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The lectins and other toxins are natural pesticides and can attack bacteria, insects, worms, rodents and other pests (and humans too of course).
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We all know that foods contain a variety of nutrients. There is less awareness that many foods contain small amounts of potentially harmful substances. These are toxins, as they have toxic effects. They are normally called "antinutrients" by the scientific community as toxins sounds too alarmist.
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Potatoes contain enzyme blockers, lectins and another family of toxins called glycoalkaloids. Glycoalkaloids (GA) unlike lectins and enzyme blockers aren't destroyed by cooking, even deep-frying.


Okay. Now that we know what I'm talking about... A little help on what these are and/or what they do?

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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #117 on: February 07, 2011, 10:41:46 PM »
Potatoes contain toxic compounds known as glycoalkaloids, of which the most prevalent are solanine and chaconine. Solanine is also found in other plants in the family Solanaceae, which includes such plants as the deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna), henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) and tobacco (Nicotiana) as well as the potato, eggplant, and tomato. This toxin affects the nervous system, causing weakness and confusion.
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #118 on: February 07, 2011, 10:43:38 PM »
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These compounds, which protect the plant from its predators, are, in general, concentrated in its leaves, stems, sprouts, and fruits.[63] Exposure to light, physical damage, and age increase glycoalkaloid content within the tuber;[64] the highest concentrations occur just underneath the skin. Cooking at high temperatures (over 170 °C or 340 °F) partly destroys these. The concentration of glycoalkaloid in wild potatoes suffices to produce toxic effects in humans. Glycoalkaloids may cause headaches, diarrhea, cramps, and in severe cases coma and death; however, poisoning from potatoes occurs very rarely. Light exposure causes greening from chlorophyll synthesis, thus giving a visual clue as to areas of the tuber that may have become more toxic; however, this does not provide a definitive guide, as greening and glycoalkaloid accumulation can occur independently of each other. Some varieties of potato contain greater glycoalkaloid concentrations than others; breeders developing new varieties test for this, and sometimes have to discard an otherwise promising cultivar.

The toxic fruits produced by mature potato plants
Breeders try to keep solanine levels below 200 mg/kg (200 ppmw). However, when these commercial varieties turn green, even they can approach concentrations of solanine of 1000 mg/kg (1000 ppmw). In normal potatoes, analysis has shown solanine levels may be as little as 3.5% of the breeders' maximum, with 7–187 mg/kg being found.[65]
The U.S. National Toxicology Program suggests that the average American consume at most 12.5 mg/day of solanine from potatoes (the toxic dose is actually several times this, depending on body weight). Douglas L. Holt, the State Extension Specialist for Food Safety at the University of Missouri, notes that no reported cases of potato-source solanine poisoning have occurred in the U.S. in the last 50 years, and most cases involved eating green potatoes or drinking potato-leaf tea
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Re: paleolithic diet
« Reply #119 on: February 07, 2011, 11:02:05 PM »
Beer contains a lot of carbs, >_>



You didn't address my question specifically enough.