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Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« on: December 03, 2007, 05:39:42 PM »
Hope this isnt spam, but... how do you pronounce "Traceur"?  Like Trace-yore?
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Re: traceur
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 06:09:19 PM »
I believe it's trace-ure.
Like maNURE.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: traceur
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 07:52:44 PM »
that's very close, except that it's more like tras ure  or tra sewer  and in french I think closest to trasuah but not as long as a double oo in English and with a nearly silent h at the end, just enough to soften the a .... Muse?
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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 08:18:05 PM »
The French pronunciation for the letter "r" has sounds that don't even exist in the English language.. Here is a little flash animation pronunciation guide for parkour terms in French. This should help:

http://www.neparkour.com/terminology.swf

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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 09:48:33 PM »
Muhammad is right.

And that animation is pretty sweet. :)

The sounds that will be the hardest are the R's and the "eu". Be sure to pronounce the "a" as "ahh". Stress should be on the first syllable.

Please do NOT say "trah-soooor" (rhymes with "tour"). This is incorrect and hurts my ears. :)

To make the French 'R': lift the back of the tongue towards the top of the mouth (near the soft palate/uvula). Basically you are putting your tongue in the position it would be in to pronounce a hard English 'G' as in "Google." Position your tongue this way, leaving a bit of space between the tongue and soft palate. Push air through the space as if you were pronouncing 'H' as in "hat."

An easy way to practice this sound is to practice it word-medial first. Try saying the English word "garage," but pronounce the R with the French R.

When that is easy, try saying the word "rouge" (like what ladies put on their cheeks), with the French R at the beginning.

Once you're comfortable with that, try pronouncing "traceur" with the French R's in it.

To make the French "eu" sound, say "uhhhh," like you're dazed and confused, but round your lips slightly.
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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 12:56:37 PM »
The French "r" is a guttural sound, made in the back of your throat like a softened "g" sound. That's about the best I can describe it for you. Really it's something you have to hear with your ear to understand, and to mimic the sound will be for most of you very difficult.

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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 01:07:12 PM »
Did the tutorials female voice remind anyone else of the Sesame Street spanish voice-overs???

'Cause I'm having some major flashbacks right now!!!

And Muse...kudos for being able to explain how to pronounce French R's..I've been trying to teach Mrs Monkey to do them for years..I'll have to show her this :)
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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 03:58:10 PM »
The French "r" is a guttural sound, made in the back of your throat like a softened "g" sound. That's about the best I can describe it for you. Really it's something you have to hear with your ear to understand, and to mimic the sound will be for most of you very difficult.

To be precise, it's actually not a "guttural" sound but a velar sound (as is the English "G" which is why you made the connection, Muhammad). It's made farther back in the mouth than the English "R," but not as far back as some of the pharyngeal sounds in languages such as Arabic. ;)

Just being a picky linguist. ;)

Reading your post, I'm guessing we did our typical "post at the same time" trick. ;)

Monkey, glad to help. Good to see the Linguistics degree, French degree, and Education degree are paying off. ;)
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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 08:32:07 PM »
french "r" is exactly the same as the arabic "ghayn" or the greek "gamma". yeah, it's not truly guttural, but from perspective of an english only speaker.

yeah, you and i both have the same "nerd power".. lol

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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2007, 06:16:57 PM »
How about traceuse? Would it be more like "trahh-sou" as in soup with out the "p"?

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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2007, 08:25:57 PM »
Thanks for bringing that up, Cav. I can't believe I didn't represent for the ladies. ;)

It's the same as "traceur" except instead of the R at the end you pronounce a Z.
She followed slowly, taking a long time,
as though there were some obstacle in the way;
and yet: as though, once it was overcome,
she would be beyond all walking, and would fly.
--excerpt from Going Blind, Rainer Maria Rilke

www.madisonparkour.com

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Re: Traceur - How do you pronounce it?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 06:27:36 PM »
Thanks Muse.  :)