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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 06:07:32 PM »
A really cool (sad for everyone who has learned ANY movement,) thing I learned from Knox;

"Forget the names. ALL the names. Forgot Parkour, Freerunning, Tricking. You are moving. Forget Monkey, Kong, Dash, Vault. Just move. Movement should have no restriction. If this was real, you wouldn't care. You should make your OWN path, your OWN movement. Only THEN is it TRULY natural, is it truly TRUE. Y'know how the Yamakasi guys did it? THEY made it all. I've taught you the names, And their movements. Forget it and MOVE!!! "

Something along those lines. It was more epic ;D

So, lose the names. Don't teach newbies names. Teach them how to learn how THEY move. Don't make them fit the mold.
-Blanc

I agree with the underlying idea about escaping the mold, but I disagree with completely forgetting names.

They're there for a reason- so we can refer to and break down our movement. It's easier to say "Try a thief, then kong to cat" than it is to say "Swing your inside leg over first and plant your forward hand, then pass off to your other hand, then dive over and plant your hands on the far edge and push off so you can end hanging from the ledge with your feet against the wall to stop your momentum."

Now I know that's an exaggeration, but I hope you get my point. ;)
« Last Edit: February 03, 2010, 08:46:44 PM by Andy Keller »
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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 06:11:02 PM »
You get what I'm saying though right?

Also, have you met Knox?

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 08:49:12 PM »
Not sure if I've met him. I'm pretty sure never in person. Seen the name though.

I do agree with learning how YOU move, not how others move and copying that. I think there's a decent balance, however, because people starting from scratch are a lot more motivated if they have goals to shoot for, not just "moving." I think we're currently pretty close with that balance generally, but maybe just a bit too rigid.

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2010, 07:02:31 AM »
I should refine.

What I mean to say is, the ideas behind the two 'arts' seem different.
Pk seems to be more direct in its goals of obstacle leaping and what have you.
Fr is more about having fun and expressing yourself inside your surroundings..

and I believe it to 98% of the time play out according to this notion.

again, this is all my opinion. ;D

Sir, your photograph shows a UF glyph. So, it's pretty much a contradiction. Since those are the people who originally brought about the idea of unification of parkour. But your view is more like apk's.

Anyways, I completely agree with you. I am a purist traceur who practices efficient parkour only. But this doesn't mean that I do not respect the Freerunners who do flips. Flips are beautiful and I really appreciate them.

IMO, This whole argument has spawned due to lack of respect and the belief that "I am right and everyone else is wrong". Nobody is WRONG. It's just everyone's way of movement is different. This is something we should respect and not argue about. There is a line of difference that separates parkour and freerunning. That does NOT, at all, mean that both arts are conflicting or opposing. There should be mutual respect between Traceurs and Freerunners.

As of now, I clearly see three groups of practitioners (who have/need to have mutual respect for each other):

1. PURIST Traceurs:
Practitioners who practice only efficient parkour. They are very few in number.

2. LIBERAL Traceurs:
Practitioners who mainly practice efficient parkour but also include beautiful flips ocassionally. However, they do define both separately. This is the group with the most number of members.

3. FREERUNNERS:
Practitioners who practice everything from parkour-like moves to acrobatic flips. They do not distinguish between the two and consider both arts to be the same.


in my opinon why the eff does it matter? i was confuzzled for awhile.
There is nothing to be confused about. Whenever in doubt, just think that a dog is chasing you. Now think about your movement. "Will this movement help me escape from these dogs?" If the answer is yes, then it is parkour.

Also, this list may be different for different people. This person explained this very beautifully:
Well if you ask me flips should definitely be considered parkour, not only because they build technique, vertical, agility, timing, coordination, and spatial awareness, but also because sometimes they really do help you get places faster. Like a diving frontflip over a railing with a drop gets you farther, quicker and with less effort than the old vault and roll. And frontflips help the roll flow better if you do it right, if I'm going for a high drop I'd rather frontflip than just jump. I can also swing farther off a bar if I launch myself outward at an angle and backtuck than canceling some of the momentum to stay upright.
For him, the list includes flip. For me, the list is still different. The "Dash vault" that most people (even the PURIST group) consider to be parkour, hardly seems efficient for me. For me, this is not parkour either. So it is different for everyone. This difference holds the true essence of parkour/freerun. If we all practice in the same way, we'll just be clones of each other.

In the words of Blane (I forgot the exact words): We all do different things and call it parkour. And that is a good thing.



Finally, it is all a matter of respect. RESPECT solves this.

@Shane: I love the way you explained why YOUR list of efficient movements include flips. But, even you'd agree that what you wrote at last was somewhat disrespectful. I know you strongly beleive you are right. And you are. In your own way. This doesn't make the others wrong. Two people CAN be right at the same time. And that is RESPECT.


I am writing a full article on this, which will be completed soon and be up on the Parkour India website.



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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2010, 08:38:29 PM »
I'd say Parkour, because in free-running your just doing parkour, but your making it more "Unusual" and difficult by focusing on what you WANNA do. not what you CAN do.

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2010, 10:31:44 PM »
 I don't see what's wrong about defining parkour and freerunning differently.

Is it any different than saying a bee is different than a wasp?

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2011, 06:55:09 AM »
The word ''efficient'' in parkour seems to often be misinterpreted.

All of the nine founding guys, including David Belle, has said various times that parkour is about being useful to other people. It's the core. Everything else, having fun, being creative, practicing acrobatics, dancing - It's on the other side, just for the fun, like David said in an interview. You can go around and talk all about this ''efficient movements'' you practice all day, how this is very important in parkour, otherwise it's not efficient, but the real question is if you're useful or not. If all you do is practicing what I refer to pure parkour movements, but if you don't fight discrimination, or if you don't have the guts to chase down a robber in a real situation, or if you're not helpful to your family, friends, random people - you're totally useless and the 'efficient' movements and mindset you've learned are totally useless and you're not considered as good in parkour.

However, If you're just out on the streets to practice acrobatics and just enjoying the movements, feeling good about yourself in competitions, just for the fun for yourself, you're not a traceur, freerunner or whatever you call it. Movements doesn't define parkour. It's the spirit that defines the core of the dicipline. Movements have existed since we started to walk and the definition of movements is movements, not parkour.

Finally, people should stop arguing about being efficient movements and concentrating on being strong inside and outside to keep the true spirit litt.
Parkour, freerunning, art du déplacement - founded by the same guys - the yamakasi - all of it focusing on what's mentioned above.

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2011, 07:41:37 AM »
Is it any different than saying a bee is different than a wasp?

no, but bees and wasps are very different so >.>
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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2011, 06:57:33 PM »
no, but bees and wasps are very different so >.>


Just as different as parkour and freerunning?


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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2011, 08:31:27 PM »
The word ''efficient'' in parkour seems to often be misinterpreted.

All of the nine founding guys, including David Belle, has said various times that parkour is about being useful to other people. It's the core. Everything else, having fun, being creative, practicing acrobatics, dancing - It's on the other side, just for the fun, like David said in an interview. You can go around and talk all about this ''efficient movements'' you practice all day, how this is very important in parkour, otherwise it's not efficient, but the real question is if you're useful or not. If all you do is practicing what I refer to pure parkour movements, but if you don't fight discrimination, or if you don't have the guts to chase down a robber in a real situation, or if you're not helpful to your family, friends, random people - you're totally useless and the 'efficient' movements and mindset you've learned are totally useless and you're not considered as good in parkour.

However, If you're just out on the streets to practice acrobatics and just enjoying the movements, feeling good about yourself in competitions, just for the fun for yourself, you're not a traceur, freerunner or whatever you call it. Movements doesn't define parkour. It's the spirit that defines the core of the dicipline. Movements have existed since we started to walk and the definition of movements is movements, not parkour.

Finally, people should stop arguing about being efficient movements and concentrating on being strong inside and outside to keep the true spirit litt.
Parkour, freerunning, art du déplacement - founded by the same guys - the yamakasi - all of it focusing on what's mentioned above.

Spot on, IMO. It doesn't matter if you prefer to add a flip or two to your movement. At the end of the day, all that matters is whether or not you can do what you need to do if the time comes. It's up to you whether you'd like to be able to side flip over something just because you can or if you'd rather just do it the "regular" way by konging or speed vaulting. And I don't think it's necessary to differenciate between Parkour and Freerunning. I like the idea of just saying you add tricking to parkour/freerunning and being done with it.
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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2011, 08:23:31 PM »
i'd say the difference is like driving comparing driving to drifting.
one's quick and efficient, the other is flashy and fun.

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Re: Should I Do Parkour or Freerunning?
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2011, 10:56:16 PM »
The way I see it, parkour and freerunning and other activities are pretty much the same thing. It's just focusing on certain aspects of the activity.

I prefer freerunning because there's more room for creativity, plus I find it funner.

Do whatever you want, don't feel the need to label what you do or focus/not focus on something just because it's considered "parkour" or "freerunning".

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Listen CD tracks or audio files from within FreeRIP: the integrated audio participant can play each Audio CD tracks and audio recordsdata from our audio converter and converter MP3. I've sucesfully finished it using various functions, such as QT7 Pro (QT7 can openwav information, and may save asaiff, then use iTunes to import tomp3). One of many easiest choices for changing files is going wav to mp3 to a free on-line converter however earlier than you do that you must be aware that whereas the steps are a lot simpler and quicker, the process of converting itself is considerably slower compared to desktop software program. Wav to MP3 converter apps is sort of simple to make use of because the audio tracks could be transformed in a single easy click. You'll only be asked to do this the primary time you utilize the Export as MP3 option.
All2Mp3 is Mac only so for those who're making an attempt to convert somewav information earlier than transferring an iTunes library from a Home windows PC to Mac , you may want to use the iTunes methodology instead. It said it might only convert wav but it surely additionally labored on a cda that Windows Media Participant wouldn't rip. For converting WMA audio recordsdata to MP3 format, Aimersoft DRM Media Converter is very really useful. You'll be able to even convert complete music libraries retaining the folder and filename structure.
A tutorial about the best way to convert audio recordsdata into MP3 with iTunes will be discovered within the Apple data base. Hamster Free Audio Converter is claimed to work with Windows 7, Vista, XP, and 2000. ImTOO MP3 WAV Converter can convert MP3 to WAV format and convert WAV to MP3 music with excessive velocity. I can not even get it to view the files to convert them to MP3 in the first occasion. As for audio quality, Google Music help up to 320kbps MP3 music, which, in my opinion wav2mp3 windows, is good enough to listen to. Even the FLAC, considered one of well-known lossless audio format, could be transcoded to 320kbps on Google Music. Similarly, making a wav file from authentic prime quality audio recordings leads to better sound high quality than making a wav file from an MP3 that has already misplaced some data. Then you will find a Obtain button and once once more the choices save to: Google Drive or Dropbox.

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The best way to convert M4A to FLAC on-line with M4A to FLAC Converter? IDealshareVideoGo is the very best M4A to FLAC Converter to assist convert M4A to FLAC in an easy and handy way. M4A and FLAC,as two audio codecs .m4a to .flac, are utilized in different areas, bearing totally different roles. With iDealshare VideoGo, you will never fear about the conversion from M4A to FLAC or from FLAC to M4A issue.
How you can convert M4A to FLAC without lack of audio quality? Many people could have asking this question. This text just goals to introduce the perfect M4A to FLAC Converter for Mac and Home windows in addition to a step-by-step guide on learn how to convert M4A to FLAC or convert FLAC to M4A with high quality.
The MP3 format is a lossy format. That implies that an MP3 file doesn't contain 100% of the unique audio info. Instead, MP3 recordsdata use perceptual coding. In different words, meaning it removes the data that your ear does not discover thereby making the file smaller. The rationale lossy codecs are used over raw is that uncooked audio recordsdata are too large to travel over the internet at any nice speed.
FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) is a lossless audio compression format, audio information is compressed without any loss, helps metadata tagging, stream format, fast looking for and more. FileZigZag is an internet audio converter service that can convert commonest audio formats, as long as they do not exceed 180 MB.
assist you convert M4A to WAV without quality loss. choose M4R because the output format within the Customized menu when? you convert M4A to M4R. Vital: Each m4a to flac converter audio converter program beneath is freeware. I have never listed any shareware or trialware audio converters. Please let me know if one of them has started charging and I will remove it.

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We frequently must convert MP4 video to MP3 audio as we only? need the audio half. Seek for a video you wish to download on YouTube , Dailymotion or Clipfish and copy & paste the link (URL) of the video in the first box, choose the file type and press "convert". Alternatively you may seek for a Youtube video straight on this page.
Step 3: Select the MP4(s) you need to convert by? clicking the Add Video(s)”? button with the addition signal in the higher-left corner of this system. A pop-up window will seem the place you may navigate or seek for the desired information in your computer.
That is one other useful gizmo for changing videos to any format you need and it's obtainable without spending a dime of cost to make use of as a trial version solely with so many limitations. It comes for Home windows and Mac programs. This is nice for those who need a simple software that may convert MP4 to MP3 rapidly. AVI, MP4, FLV, DIVX, MPEG and so forth. are among the video formats it helps. This software program helps downloading videos as properly but only from a hundred video websites.
MP3 is a digital music format which allows CD tracks to be lowered to around a tenth of their regular measurement without a vital lack of quality. MP3 gets rid of a variety of the knowledge recorded in a music that our ears are mp42mp3 not capable of hear and then makes use of complex algorithms to scale back the file dimension. This then allows you to get a whole bunch of songs on to a CD and it additionally has opened up a brand new market over the web - the obtain market as obtain times have been considerably reduced.
You may also choose your save location for the ensuing file(s), and? modify your audio bitrate and sample bitrate beneath? Audio Choices? in the bottom-proper corner. Convert MP4 information to MP3, convert MP4 to M4A, MP4 to FLAC, MP4 to AAC, MP4 to WAV, MP4 to OGG, MP4 to AIFF e.t.c.
Function : Lower audio information with preview and millisecond precision. Play the transformed and the enter video file in the in-built player. If you want to convert MP4 to MP3 free, Freemake Video Converter will make it easier to encode recordsdata shortly and simply. Even a beginner can do it, for free.
Please obtain and install this MP4 to MP3 Free Converter earlier than you exchange MP4 recordsdata to MP3. After getting downloaded Movavi Video Converter, merely double-click the downloaded file to start out the set up and comply with the on-display screen directions. Wait a number of seconds until the process is complete after which run the program.