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Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« on: January 30, 2006, 03:12:53 PM »
Not so much a aspect. But a something i dont think ive heard people talk of. Unless you use code tongue. Anyways allow me a chance to explain.

I was training at my house from about 4-5 like always and then i looked around and thought. Hmm what else can i do with this place. There was a gate i hadnt yet vaulted and i walked over to it. I stopped about a foot away. Turned got into running position and sprinted...Now before i explained what happened let me explain why i turned and got ready before testing it. I wanted to be foolish and challenge myself a little but that wasnt the main reason. I wanted to see if i could truly overcome the obstacle just by sight, sound, and first touch....So i sprinted at it. And i felt it. Instead of doing a regular monkey i seemed to just glide right over the gate. As soon as my hand placed on it i felt it to be unstable and instantley shifted my weight upwards and barely made contact with it except a few on the hands. But the testing of myself and the slight of hand reaction wasnt the feeling. It was the gliding sensation i achieved. I did a vault over my grandfathers truck. Another over some haybales i set up. And continued with it. This may be something already discussed but i dont think ive seen it. Im sure some of you have experienced it. Its like your center of gravity is just following the smooth guideline of the path of the vault. I dont think this is a part of flow because flow involves a series of individual movements to create that sensation.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 03:24:37 PM »
this is one thing that i've always feared a little bit.
people talk about "some guy is chasing you with a magazine subscription", or "your mother is trapped in a burning building"
in these situations, if you are just bookin' it through an area and over obstacles that are new to you, you could very easily end up getting pwned (excuse it just this once) by a faulty piece of railing/wall/etc.

i would guess it would be good to get used to just trying this every once in a while, so as to be prepared, but be careful!  no turn vaults over 100000 foot drops without making sure the railing wont break. 

this also will tune up your proprioception abilities.  it ensures that you have a good sense of your center, which is essential to almost everything. This idea is pretty popular in parkour, i think. ( I saw Gear posting about a book called Chi Running (i think that was it), that focused on this idea of knowing one's center.)

so, yea it can be good, but be careful, you are putting yourself in a situation of elevated risk.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 03:34:50 PM »
Im just as cautious as the next guy. I rigured a gate couldnt be too painful. Like a good scientest. Always test your theory. Then lie. then publish the results! but yes, I can understand how chi running would come into play. It definatley felt glidefully awsome.
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 04:16:16 PM »
Most of my vaults especially ones where I'm not sure about the surface/reliability of what I'm vaulting, I send my center of gravity well over the obstacle and use my hands to guide and control. That way you don't use your hands to pull you over, you practically jump over and just touch with your hand(s), like a fast speed vault. The only case I can think of where you really ned to use your hands to a great deal would be a high distance kong or possibly a turn vault.

Good job on getting the feel! Important skill that just takes time.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 04:20:07 PM »
You can learn the different aspects of obstacles and surfaces a few different ways. One is to constantly expose yourself to new and unknown areas and take the time to thoughtfully work your way through them to realize the differences in quality, etc. of different surfaces. Another is to learn through experience in a more immediate way, by throwing yourself at obstacles and attempting to adjust accordingly as inconsistencies arise. The last is to approach it in an academic way, studying the potentials from outside the sphere of actual movement and eventually attempting to apply them through this knowledge alone.

Needless to say, very few people would choose any one of these things exclusively, and I feel they all have their place when used in the right context. I feel that the most responsible way to approach this development of schema (sets of experiential movement that you can then apply to similar contexts in different environments) is by constantly checking surfaces and gaining intimate knowledge of the potential hazards inherent in certain obstacles first, then eventually applying this expansive knowledge-set to more random and variant events. I will often do exactly what you did...perhaps approaching a chain-link fence at full speed without prior knowledge of this particular fence's sturdiness, knowing full-well that I plan on floating over the fence with little or no force applied. I will usually do so with a speed-vault at a full sprint, where the contact of your hand is almost inconsequential.

The point is, it is best to be safe in as many situations as possible, because through this attitude you will gain more useful knowledge of your environment and all the obstacles you encounter, without possibly cutting your time with Parkour short. It is through this process that you will gradually realize your ability to predict the nature of certain objects in a more random context, and by doing so, will further increase your knowledge-base for any situation.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 04:56:26 PM »
Some of the best advice ive gotten in a while gear. You are most definaltey one of the brighter ones  ;). Find your way to approach your enviorement. The most comfortable and fitting path. Starting to enjoy this site. and oh yeah. Why am i booking flights on VAPK!!!!!!! haha work it out guys!

All in all guys. Find your own path  ;). Fallen out
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2006, 05:32:27 PM »
I have a lot of trouble finding the "medium" between testing and just going.  I really want to just go and see what happens, but I know that I could really hurt myself.  It seems that I have to test eveything I do a few times before I actually attempt it, it's really kinda bothersome.  Fallen, thankyou for bringing this up, these kinds of topics really get me thinking ;).  Uh oh here comes a new topic  :)
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 08:11:43 PM »
thats a interesting story. i was jumping off my 20 foot roof today. and rolling at the bottom. it was great. all i felt was the sensation of being in mid-air. it feels great. i dont no how to vault yet but i'm workin on it. ok talk to you guys later.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2006, 08:15:52 PM »
Hmm.....Straight up advice!

Dont go jumping 20 feet *if it is infact that*. Bad on the knees for sure. Keep it to low stuff even though you think your ready for the high jumps. Work on the basics. Vaults, Precisions, Cats, Climbs. All the essential basics before attempting anything over at least 10 feet. Keep it fun keep it safe!  :)
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2006, 08:17:11 PM »
I would beleive this feeling to be called the no fear effect. tis when you dont have to think about it. you just do it.
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 08:19:51 PM »
ok thatnks for that advice THE FALLEN. I'll make sure i won't go jumpin off something higher than ten. Thanks.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 08:22:19 PM »
Right, just remember to take it slow. anyone can fall  ;) Id like to see your knees last longer than 5 years  ;)

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 08:28:25 PM »
ya take it slow, especially if you don't know how to vault yet.     

from what you are saying, fallen, it sounds like to me that you have just experienced the "flow" most people reffer to. but i didnt quite get what you were saying, so i could be wrong.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 08:31:06 PM »
lol my posts make no sense sometimes. Ive experienced flow and i still cant put my finger on this one myself. Weightless is what i was...hmmm going to figure this out later.
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 08:33:52 PM »
i hear ya man, i think i have a better idea on what you are trying to get across now.

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2006, 12:16:06 AM »
If I am out doing parkour and I am unsure of on objects sturdiness I just flip it instead  ;)  ;D .
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2006, 08:12:38 AM »
If I am out doing parkour and I am unsure of on objects sturdiness I just flip it instead  ;)  ;D .

Same here, that usually seems to be a good EFFICIENT alternative lol. ;)
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 10:10:31 AM »
Same here, that usually seems to be a good EFFICIENT alternative lol. ;)

yeah i know, who would actually just do a simple jump instead??

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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 01:22:08 PM »
yeah i know, who would actually just do a simple jump instead??

Boring! So not flowing too.
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Re: Undiscovered aspect to parkour?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 01:23:51 PM »
Can i? nah ill let someone else do it...
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