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ABC piece on iCaught
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:10:22 AM »
And again with the trashy sensationalism of Parkour...  This time by ABC.  I just saw a short commercial this morning advertising for the next episode of "i-caught."  There were three main videos/stories outlined in the commercial and the last one showed kids doing Parkour/Freerunning (it wasn't named) and the narrator said simply:

"And why are these daredevil kids risking their lives?"  It was said very snoody and melodramatically.  That doesn't give me much hope for how they're going to be portraying Parkour on national TV tonight...

Oh, and here's the show's website:  http://ugv.abcnews.go.com/
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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 05:26:34 AM »
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Is it supposed to air tonight? How unfortunate that they're sensationalizing it in the teaser. Let's hope the story is better, at least.
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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 07:38:44 AM »
Wait... was that Demon in that one vid? It's titled, 'parkour 1'

There's Skynative too! That one is 'parkour 2'

Does ABC have permission to use these videos? Even though these videos are on youtube, etc., does that mean ABC can use them?

Hmm...
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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 08:05:48 AM »
I just came to post the same thing. Someone should contact them and at least let them know.

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I'm not entirely sure if this lets ABC use the videos for profit (which they are doing) though.

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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 08:17:59 AM »
I think they had permission, especially because Demon's isn't on youtube.

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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 09:40:11 AM »
yeah its a part of a big show they did with us. i sent them my new sampler with most of my best stuff. too bad they used my reject clips that didn't make the cut...

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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 09:45:49 AM »
I heard that they contacted a couple Traceurs, Demon being one of them.  But it seems that in the final production, they really weren't listening/didn't care and decided to go for ratings rather than truth.  *sigh*

It will air Tuesday night.
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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 11:13:52 AM »
Here is a link to the article on iCaught's website.

http://abcnews.go.com/icaught/story?id=3515109&page=1

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Re: more media hate...
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 07:24:51 PM »
was just comiong to post the online story, I try to put as many here as possible to preserve the history of media coverage. I can say that as part of the sotry it seems they are setting me up as the commerical side of parkour, even though the article spekas perfectly about Primla Fitness and getting people off the couch, which frankly is the most important part of the message to me: getitng people active in a healthy way (of course including safety). anyway, link and text in case the link goes away .. I also just noticed Cliff's quote about youtube, I made almost the exact same point in my interview, it will be intertesting to see what actually makes it on TV.


http://abcnews.go.com/icaught/story?id=3515109&page=1

Somersaulting over a railing. Catapulting off a wall. Flipping over a space and rolling as you land on the ground.

For most of us these may seem like reckless stunts, but this is part of a new movement called Parkour. It's a word you won't find in the dictionary, but type it into an Internet search engine and you are bound to find more than 30,000 variations on video-sharing sites.


So what is Parkour? Derived from the French term for route, "parcours", it's a physical art in which one must find the quickest and most efficient way to get from point A to point B, using only the body and an awareness of its limits. Men who practice Parkour are called traceurs; females, traceuses — meaning they trace the route blazed by Parkour's creator, 34-year-old Frenchman David Belle.


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It has spread worldwide from Europe to the United States, even parts of Africa, all because of jaw-dropping video clips featured on the Internet. Yet Parkour started with very humble beginnings in Lisses, France, a suburb of Paris, which is now a place of pilgrimage for many traceurs.

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Belle developed Parkour nearly a decade ago as a homage to his father, who was an acrobat and firefighter. The younger Belle was into gymnastics before realizing that he was capable of using more of his body.

"Parkour is an art that can become a sport. For me, a sport has rules, limits, timing, whereas art is something we do to blossom out, to develop ourselves. Basically it's more personal," said Belle.


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Parkour is a movement that has grown up entirely on the Internet. Its community almost solely communicates online. Belle doesn't even own a computer, but he has more than 10,000 clips posted on the Web that have influenced admirers all over the world, like Mark Toorock.

Toorock is an American Parkour pioneer and owner of a Washington, D.C., gym. He says Parkour is an art, a sport and a discipline all rolled into one.

"You have to practice it. You have to study it," Toorock said. "You have to do repeated moves over and over and over until you become fluid in those movements."


Toorock also sees Parkour as a way of getting a generation used to sitting behind computers to get out and exercise — using the world as their playground.

"This is the way human beings used to move before there were buildings, before there were subways, before there were buses and taxis," Toorock said.


At Toorock's gym, it's not just teenage boys getting active. One of his students is 46-year-old Jessica Lubell, the mother of two teenage boys. She got hooked after accompanying her youngest son to a class at the gym.

"I've always been athletic and loved sports," said Lubell, an executive chef in Maryland. "I found the conditioning training of Parkour to be unique and challenging."

Although she doesn't do many of the spectacular jumps and leaps as her younger counterparts, Lubell does the basic vaulting moves. While she agrees that the daredevil aspect of Parkour is mainly seen as macho, she likes the effect it's having on her, as well as her sons.

"My sons used to be couch potatoes," she said. "Now they're active and motivated." Lubell says Parkour's biggest message is the best message of all.

"It builds stamina and endurance not just for the mind but for the body and that's a good thing for all of us."

Parkour is fast becoming more mainstream, like its distant cousin — skateboarding. It is featured in big Hollywood films such as the opening scene in "Casino Royale," "Live Free, Die Hard," "The Bourne Ultimatum" and even in Madonna's "Jump" music video. All of this attention has inspired thousands of young imitators, but causes great concern for Belle.

"It is not a sport that's just meant to impress. … People tend to feel strong because they want to impress, but that's not the point," Belle said.

Cliff Kravit, a California traceur and devoted Belle follower, agrees.

"One of the negatives is the fact that because anybody can upload a video and call it Parkour, the information is skewed," said Kravit. "People don't realize what it really is and they just see somebody doing whatever they want in a video and the philosophy gets lost, the true movement gets lost, and Parkour ends up with a bad name."


It seems like only a matter of time before Parkour becomes a big-ticket item — inspiring performance parks, clothes and athletic footwear. But Kravit believes commercializing Parkour for competitions and endorsement deals flies in the face of the movement's true philosophy.

"Nobody's against making money, but there's a proper message if you're going to promote Parkour that has to get across," he said. "Parkour is a way of living your life. There's no specific gear that you need, no specific shoe that you need. Your body is what you need."

While Toorock concedes that clothes and shoes won't make you better at Parkour, he believes Parkour's message of personal fulfillment can still be achieved in other ways.

"There's a difference between selling out and getting paid to do something," said Toorock. "I do what I love every day and it's how I make my living. I don't think you'll find a lot of people who will argue with that."


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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2007, 06:00:42 PM »
Just saw the piece.  Honestly I think it was very positive.  The section about injuries was very short, and honestly, PK IS dangerous, so pretending like it's not is just dumb. 

They didn't counter the pro-commercial PK as well as I'd like, but I won't start up that discussion here. 

Overall though, I think traceurs came across as disciplined, skilled individuals who take Parkour very seriously, and have better lives for it. 

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 06:14:59 PM »
I guess I'm not really sure what I expected, but I wasn't very impressed with how ABC presented parkour. I realize that they only had a few minutes on the show, but I didn't think that they did a good job with presenting the mental aspects of parkour.

This is far and away my favorite TV piece done on parkour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZsfxE7zG74

(...that said, props to you guys who worked with ABC on this. While I don't think that any press is good press for parkour, I think this did present parkour in a generally positive light.
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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 08:05:42 PM »
Hey, that wasn't too bad at all, considering the fact that it was a major media outlet. It is inevitable that parkour is going to get covered, and probably covered extensively as more Americans become aware of it. I don't think there is anything you could do to stop that from happening because its a novelty in this country, and people find it incredibly interesting to watch. Parkour is appealing at a very base level. It causes a gut-reaction in viewers. Seeing parkour in motion is like seeing a return to something innate which exists inside everyone. Being simultaneously beautiful and primal, it's undoubtedly going to attract attention. We might as well make the best of it, and try to assist the media in getting their portrayal accurate. That would be a responsible way to handle it. Also, you never know what kind of constructive opportunities this could lead to, so its best to keep a bright outlook ;)

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 08:47:19 PM »
Did anyone else notice that they said David Belle would like to see PARKOUR as an Olympic sport? Kinda makes you wonder how the creator himself doesnt shun competition, while all of his "close" followers believe that parkour cannot by any means be competitive....


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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 08:57:00 PM »
District B12....haha

It was an ok piece. I was a little disappointed with the sensationalism. I was also disappointed with the DC footage the chose (and chose not) to show.

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2007, 04:55:14 AM »
Man, I was all looking fw to watching this piece, but our ABC-affiliate channel doesn't carry i-Caught (this I found out last night at like 8:58pm). :P

Anybody put the full aired segment on YouTube or something? I am unable to find it using ABC's site...

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2007, 10:23:42 AM »
This is far and away my favorite TV piece done on parkour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZsfxE7zG74
That is a great piece, thank you for sharing it. 

However, we can't expect every media mention of PK to be that way.  That article was made from the viewpoint of respect of the art of PK.  Most will be from the "what the heck are these kids doing?" viewpoint.  Personally, I think the iCaught piece was really positive considering they took it from the "what the heck" viewpoint. 

The first time people see Parkour, they're not going to say, "I wonder if this is a way of life for them.  I wonder if this gives them a different outlook on the world."  So we can't expect the first pieces of info on PK to the general public to be all artful and fully understanding. 

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2007, 01:53:47 PM »
I guess I'm not really sure what I expected, but I wasn't very impressed with how ABC presented parkour. I realize that they only had a few minutes on the show, but I didn't think that they did a good job with presenting the mental aspects of parkour.

This is far and away my favorite TV piece done on parkour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZsfxE7zG74

(...that said, props to you guys who worked with ABC on this. While I don't think that any press is good press for parkour, I think this did present parkour in a generally positive light.

Have you seen our fox news piece? I personally liked it better.  http://youtube.com/watch?v=wSgGrdVrBg4

Or our local piece was good also http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=1127803524&channel=5977439

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Re: more media hate... ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2007, 07:47:52 PM »
Did anyone else notice that they said David Belle would like to see PARKOUR as an Olympic sport? Kinda makes you wonder how the creator himself doesnt shun competition, while all of his "close" followers believe that parkour cannot by any means be competitive....



Olympic event, not Olympic sport.  This was covered a few months ago on .Net.  David Belle is workign with the Olympics to get an event sometime in the future... as in a demonstration.  Whether he wants it to go further than that or not, it hasn't been clear yet... but the times he's been quoted about the Olympics thing, it's been referring to what's in the immediate future... his attempts at being allowed to demonstrate Parkour during the Olympics.

On top of this, Erwan posted a conversation he had with David on competition.  Amusingly, at first, David said something along the lines of, "I really don't care what other people do with it.  It doesn't change me or how I will train."  But he did agree that competition is against the ideals of Parkour as a whole.  He just doesn't seem to care, either, since I guess he's just too used to people misinterpreting and the fact that he doesn't want to be an ambassador.  At least, that's what I gathered from that conversation.

I'd look for the thread and post a link, but it's one of those twenty-page threads that I'd have to spend hours sifting through to find that part.  I do believe Mark was posting in that thread, though.  Maybe he remembers and can confirm it.
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Re: ABC piece on iCaught
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2007, 07:46:13 AM »
Olympic even versus olympic sport?? If its in the olympics, theres going to be a winner, a loser and *gasp* a competition.
I still think .NET puts words into his mouth. But I dont really care too much. At least not enough to read the thread... because you know... Mark+20 page thread on .net= retarded flame fest that goes nowhere.