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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2007, 08:05:20 AM »
My opinion is that media can cause a Positive and/or a Negative effect

For example:

a)
The movie "Borat" where you see the main character showing his own people as people who do not even have a car or any other modern stuff.
The reaction was negative against the actor but also made the city more famous.

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/siteseeingarticle.asp?searchid=3617

b)
Most of the people and the Media in the United States say "America" as if America is a Country Not A Continent...Big Mistake.....Is a Continent

Here's a list of all the American Countries (including the U.S.)

http://www.countriesandcities.com/continents/america/countries.htm

c)
Discovery Channel's TV Show "Mythbusters". They show the truth behind what's shown in the movies and what's real.

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/mythbusters.html

So as you see, there will be many different kind of reactions when the movie is out.

I agree we could sent letters to the movie producers/director/etc to show them they could use "all" the traceurs as good guys to infiltrate the bad guys' joint...but will they listen?....if we don't try we'll never know

We already had a traceur as a "bad guy" in 007's, lol (thanks to that I found out about PK, so as you see, is not always bad)





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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2007, 11:05:50 AM »
alec, I really didn't understand WHAT the hell you just said, except the first line, which is what I agree with.
But seriously, this renagade cop is probably gonna be using parkour too. I mean, I'd think that's kinda obvious, 'cause the movie would be really boring if he didn't, he'd never be able to keep up with the criminals.
I mean, can you imagine him sneaking in, and then throwing off his disguise (this is my imagination, so he's wearing groucho marx glasses for a disguise to sneak in.) and then pulling out his gun and all the traceurs run and jump out the window to the agacent building, and the cop is like "damn" and he goes and jumps in the elevator? No, he's gonna hurl himself right out the window after them. So chances are that Parkour is going to be used in a good way, too.
Compare it to guns, both the good guys AND the bad guys use guns. But people still are like, OH nO! Don't give my kid a gun! And then look at Jackie Chan movies, Jackie Chan uses martial arts, AND so do the bad guys. But people are like, Oh yes, I need to sign my child up for martial arts go he can defend himself brom bullies!

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2007, 12:43:46 PM »
in my opinion (take it for what its worth)

No matter how glorios or hiddios hollywood makes parkour out to be, the united states is full of people who dont like change, so no matter how many people see the movie the country isnt gonna be overrun with people doing parkour, cause americans are to slow to exept things.......just like when I showed B-13 to some of my friends (it was the best moive ever in my opinion) they said all the running and jumping didnt make since to them (i kicked them out of my house for that), but it just goes to show that people in this country with exeption of us here, arnt gonna understand parkour

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2007, 01:35:25 PM »
Interesting point.

I guess it will be like any other innovative/up-and-coming thing in a movie....

-When those breakdancing etc. movies came out, breakdancing didnt really grow all that much.
-When Casino Royale was released, people didnt flock to APK or UF or .net that much.
-When the Ocean's (#) movies came out, people didnt go pull a job on their local bank.
-Any other example  ;)

People are just like, "Oh, that's cool." Then they move on with their lives.

Hmm
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2007, 05:02:19 PM »
you know one of the most alluring aspects of parkour for me is the fact that i could use it for personal gain or be a pseudo superhero. i find that some of the most admirable paths like martial arts and marksmanship have the same duality. i think exceptional ability is just that whether it be negative of positive. most people who break social norms get a bad rap no matter what, so pk being portrayed as a means to criminal activity wont have any bearing. people will always dislike what they dont understand.
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2007, 07:56:24 PM »
alec, I really didn't understand WHAT the hell you just said, except the first line, which is what I agree with.
But seriously, this renagade cop is probably gonna be using parkour too. I mean, I'd think that's kinda obvious, 'cause the movie would be really boring if he didn't, he'd never be able to keep up with the criminals.
I mean, can you imagine him sneaking in, and then throwing off his disguise (this is my imagination, so he's wearing groucho marx glasses for a disguise to sneak in.) and then pulling out his gun and all the traceurs run and jump out the window to the agacent building, and the cop is like "damn" and he goes and jumps in the elevator? No, he's gonna hurl himself right out the window after them. So chances are that Parkour is going to be used in a good way, too.
Compare it to guns, both the good guys AND the bad guys use guns. But people still are like, OH nO! Don't give my kid a gun! And then look at Jackie Chan movies, Jackie Chan uses martial arts, AND so do the bad guys. But people are like, Oh yes, I need to sign my child up for martial arts go he can defend himself brom bullies!

I think you have something there Max.. The guy will have to infiltrate the "parkour gang", which will probably give us this whole buildup where he is trying to join their gang... so he will have to train with them and learn the art which will lead to him maybe making friends with some of them because he'll get so into it, then there could be his struggle with the conflict of interest.. which will be all dramatized of course.. I can just see it now.. lol.

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2007, 02:52:05 PM »
Or, Muhammad, he could just know Parkour for no reason at all. Like Jackie Chan, he doesn't have to learn martial arts in every movie, he just knows it already to start with. No real reason is ever given for why he can do martial arts, he just can. And in B13 (which is probably more applicable 'cause it's also parkour...), David Belle's character just knows how to do it. Nobody questions it.

Of course, your way would make more sense and be more exciting, probably.....

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2007, 04:36:52 PM »
unless the movie showed six months or a year go by in the middle for training (maybe more), I seriously doubt the cop could advance enough to be able to keep up with the "bad guys" anyway. There'll probably be some sort of training montage that covers a year, in which the cop befriends all the gang members.
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2007, 06:47:53 PM »
It will be interesting to see if this is the first movie that actually has the characters speaking about what they are "doing" and referring to it as parkour. Although, parkour has been used in movies before, the characters using it never address it as parkour. Once that happens, then we have movies that are "about parkour" rather than just "show parkour" That is when we have to be very careful about how it is being portrayed. I would hate for this movie to do for parkour what The mighty ducks did for hockey, or the fast and the furious did for streetracing. Although, explaining what parkour is to every passerby who sees you training can get old, i'd rather do that than have them go:

"Oh, you doin' parkour? Yeah, i know all about that because I saw "insert movie title here". Can you do a backflip from 20 feet like that renegade cop did? Man, that's what parkour is ALL ABOUT!"
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2007, 12:07:42 PM »
thing is, in fast & the furious, they made the characters out to be something like antiheroes, despite the very blatant highway robbery they commit onscreen towards the end.  in this case, i'm not doubting it'll be something aesthetically pleasing, but the basic premise (using parkour to rob banks) already seems set to put us all in a negative light.  can hope for a positive spin, but...  i'm staying skeptic for now.
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2007, 12:31:25 PM »
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2007, 03:42:44 PM »
another thought, uh, this IS gonna be 2009. Nobody can really predict how that will change parkour, since we don't know what parkour will be like then. I mean, if somebody said that it would cast parkour in a bad light, well, how do we know it won't ALREADY be in a bad light, and the movie won't affect it. If people in 2009 understand parkour isn't about just jumping off stuff like crazy people, then they'll think oh, they're just mis-using parkour, unlike that traceur who lives down the street. 'Cause who knows what it'll be like to start with.

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2007, 09:14:53 PM »
Yeah, looks like we've got our mission laid out before us. We HAVE to get the public consensus on Parkour to be positive by 2009 that way it will counteract this movie! I'll make pamphlets! Anybody else got ideas?

just kidding, that's a very good point. I'd like to see parkour become something well known enough that people can make educated opinions about it.
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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2007, 10:45:10 AM »
Call me a skeptic but I don’t think parkour will not change that much in a year and a half to two years here in America – perhaps getting closer to two years we might see some noticeable changes but I still doubt it.  I doubt it because America is such a large country with such a huge population – to get any significant portion of the population aware about a new trend is particularly difficult without widespread exposure.  Right now, parkour in the US lacks that.  The only information getting out about parkour has been through local news services and the information that is getting out is not that great – only a few minutes on the evening news, which unless the local new community does a good job doesn’t really give the audience a good idea of what it is.  Or even if it does do a good job a presenting the information most do not give the audience information on who to contact if they want to try and learn parkour.  To compound that effect there is the fact most people don’t have the self discipline to train parkour in the right way and keep with it – they need someone to show them the way.  This site is trying to help that, but the mainstream awareness of this site is no where near great enough.
Also, when you consider the national informational pieces that have been done on parkour such as in TIME magazine, which did a poor job or representing parkour in a positive light, or The New Yorker magazine, whose target audience is not one that will be overwhelmingly receptive towards parkour, they have not created enough interest.  Though I personally loved the New Yorker article I think that most people who have read it have long since forgotten it.
Movies like the new James Bond that have parkour in them do a good job of reaching a broad audience but they don’t provide any education.  So, as was mentioned before in this thread, people just say “Oh wow! That’s cool!” then just shrug it off as some other action movie stunt.
What you need, in my opinion is something akin to what happened in Britain with programs such as Jump London and Jump Britain showing on the BBC.  Now if we had an hour long documentary following some of the “creators” of parkour/freerunning air on something like NBC at around prime time then I think you would see a similar explosion of interest here in the US.  But also, Jump Britain showed members from Urban Freeflow, showing the public an institution that they could go to.  Again, an established institution of that caliber doesn’t really exist here in the US.  There’s the talent and the desire, but it is spread all around the country – nothing is centralized.  Again, Americanparkour’s efforts are on the right track but, nevertheless, they’re not where they need to be to have such a profound effect.  And, quite frankly, unless there is a massive media push they will be unable to get that type of exposure.  And before I get flamed, let me say that I think what APK does for the US parkour community is a great thing and I support all their efforts 100% and wish them the very best.
Also, the APK community (just like many others) is largely passive.  There is a great number of members on this site – but how many of them are actually active, contributing members – many are either not actively involved or they simply stopped practicing parkour.  I know of at least twenty people who took up and then stopped doing parkour in my local area.  Also I know of many more practitioners of parkour who do train but for them it is a leisure activity and they really don’t put in any personal investment, involvement or organization efforts into it.  A major reason for this is the fact that there is no large institution that they can look to or belong to.  Currently in the US many people have no incentive to become involved or train – because there is simply nothing for them to get into.  And the thought of trying to start something is too daunting of a task for many.  Then there are those who do try to start something, but simply don’t know how to go about it and eventually they grow tired of the apathy of fellow practitioners and the lack of any really developments become disenfranchised and then give up.  Everyone is waiting to see what the few people who are trying will do.  Until something really gets started, most will simply remain on the sidelines.  Right now, simply, parkour is just too young in America.  Not enough people have been introduced to it in a meaningful and positive way.
It is for these combined reasons that I fear a movie such as the one that has been described here could be so bad for parkour.  The first impression is the strongest, it can never be undone.  And if that impression is a negative one – well, that leaves us all with a large hole to climb out of.  So unless, the production of this movie is handled very carefully with how parkour is portrayed it will be a bad thing for us.  Once people develop a cognitive association that parkour is linked with crime or delinquents, you’re going to see concerned communities putting up “no parkour” signs and stricter management of clubs and groups.  Parkour would cease to be a free discipline – and instead would be forced into specialized sanctioned environments.  This is a dramatization, but once you start on that negative path that it is the endpoint.  So I hope very much that any traceurs involved in that production think carefully about the ramifications of their actions and make sure that if this movie is made they do inadvertently end up crucifying the spirit of parkour.
   

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2007, 07:32:25 PM »
Woah man, big post. Kinda depressing, 'cause I think you just said there was nothing we could do about it. The fate of the ENTIRE PARKOUR COMMUNITY HANGS ON THIS MOVIE!!!!. Well, I think you have a point, but I don't think that the eventual negititave outcome would come so fast that we couldn't do something about it. I mean, even collecting a few bucks from the parkour communtiy and donating it, if publicicized, would throw us into a good light....

actually there's an idea. If anybody's worried about Parkour being thrown into a bad light, maybe everybody could spare a few bucks to donate to cancer or whatever, we group it all together and that's a lot of money. I mean, 13351 members of APK. If even one THRID of these people donated five bucks, that's (hold on, let me pull out my calculator) $22,250. That's a LOT of cash. There's a way to throw us into a positive light... whatever, just an idea.

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2007, 06:14:45 AM »
I'm not sure what the problem is... when bad-ass movies about racing cars come out does the street-racing culture get shattered? (i don't know but i don't think so)
When the "bad-guy" in James Bond runs away with what has been widely acclaimed as freerunning or parkour in a scene which is often used as an example to people who aren't familiar with the sport; does the parkour culture crash?

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2007, 10:53:10 AM »
Thank you k7sw. ;)

I don't think that movies affect anyone's views that much. Most people know that Hollywood Movies are fake. They know it is made up. They know that a movie about criminal traceurs isn't real. They will probably even think that most of the movements are special-effect-assisted, that they aren't even humanly possible. That will ensure that they do not put a bad impression on people.

My thoughts^^

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2007, 01:11:21 PM »
thats true but i mean movies got me into parkour i saw jackie chan run up a wall so i googled it and found this site

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2007, 05:07:23 PM »
yeah but you know what like like to talk crap and say "oh he's or she is doing that because they saw in a movie"..... and that'll put ideas in their into Assumptive brains and think that Parkour is just as bad as BMX or skateboarding....

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Re: Parkour-based movie to come out in 2009...bad for parkour?
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2007, 10:03:08 AM »
Woah man, big post. Kinda depressing, 'cause I think you just said there was nothing we could do about it. The fate of the ENTIRE PARKOUR COMMUNITY HANGS ON THIS MOVIE!!!!. Well, I think you have a point, but I don't think that the eventual negititave outcome would come so fast that we couldn't do something about it. I mean, even collecting a few bucks from the parkour communtiy and donating it, if publicicized, would throw us into a good light....

No, I meant nothing as dramatic as the entire parkour community hanging in the balance . . . however I do think that if handled incorrectly it certainly would be a bad thing.  I am not saying that this movie would cause a worst case scenario situation for parkour however it this movie presented parkour in a negative light and we ourselves did nothing to change peoples opinions or stand by meekly as we allow others to define what parkour is for us then yes I think you will end up with a situation that is similar to the situation regarding skateboarding or BMX and like.
However, as you've suggested there are things we can do. While our ability to affect the public’s opinion on a nation level is severely limited we can work on a local level.  But to do that we must take a pro-active approach we must engage others and create a dialogue about what parkour is and what it represents.  In this regard we all have a great responsibility as we are the first generation adopters of the sport in the US.  As it as been said many times on this site before - we are all ambassadors for this sport.  The actions of one of us reflect upon the community as a whole.  Each of us, if you are serious about parkour and if you care about it should seek to create a group at your school or in your community, educate others about parkour, show them the positive benefits, and act in a responsible manner.  As I said, many find this task to be too daunting.  But the thing is that it shouldn't be.  People are generally very receptive to parkour, they are interested in it, and they want to learn about it, it is actually remarkable how much people want to get behind this once you show them a way.  But you have to take that first step . . . .

I'm not sure what the problem is... when bad-ass movies about racing cars come out does the street-racing culture get shattered? (i don't know but i don't think so)
When the "bad-guy" in James Bond runs away with what has been widely acclaimed as freerunning or parkour in a scene which is often used as an example to people who aren't familiar with the sport; does the parkour culture crash?

First off, street racing is an illicit activity, so I don’t think you should be making a comparison between the affects of a movie on an illicit activity and a legal one – they are not the same and thus you are comparing apples to oranges.  Also street racing and parkour are very different. One is about thrill seeking and the other personal growth – by their very purpose these two activities stand contrary to one another.  But to answer your question street racing as already an illegal activity could not loose its legitimacy because it had none to begin with.  However street racing gained a lot of attention after the Fast and the Furious movies came out which did attract a lot of new admirers but the greater appeal and attention also caused law enforcement to pay more attention and resulted in crack downs on street racing in many cities.
Also as I discussed in my first post the reason that the chase scene in Casino Royal has lead to any effect on the parkour community because people were not told that what he was doing was parkour.  They have no reason to think that it was anything else than regular movie stunts.
However, a movie that has parkour in it and that is recognized in the movie as parkour will give people an impression about what parkour is. Because of this movie’s premise the resulting cognitive relation of parkour will most likely be – unless handled very carefully - with crime (specifically – bank robbing).  This is something I think we all want to avoid.  Though I don’t think people will think traceurs are actually bank robbers the premise does act as a negative introduction to parkour.  People will assume, as they already do, (but on a larger scale thanks to this new movie) that traceurs are adrenaline junkies or risk takers when the opposite is the truth.  To me it seems that this movie would do nothing but further these stereotypes which are in direct contradiction to our efforts to dispel such notions and build parkour as a beneficial, positive, and legitimate physical discipline here in the US.