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Meniscus Tear: Update: I done gots it fixed.
« on: March 16, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »
Yo.

So I was at the gym yesterday and me and some guys were just warming up. About 25-30 minutes into the session I threw a 540 kick. Not a big deal I do them all the time and they are pretty much second nature to me. However, for some reason I locked my kicking leg out in mid air and landed on it and it hyperextended on me. I heard what sounded like a rip and it was very unstable.

I went to a doctor today (knee specialist) and got some X-Rays. He told me that I just sprained my MCL and that my leg still felt too stable to have torn my ACL. I still opted to go get an MRI and will be getting one here in a few days just in case.

However, I am freaking myself out and I'm super paranoid. My doctor said he didn't think my ACL was torn, my X-Rays look fine, and that I was worrying over nothing. But am I? I'm not doing anything for the week. Just resting, but if my ACL is torn, how bad do you think it could've been if it wasn't even noticed yet. And if I did rip out, how long is the recovery. What is the surgery like? I'm super worried at the moment and I don't want to quit tricking because of this. Please help me out guys. Thanks.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 11:35:08 PM »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aw man, I hope you have a sprain like the Doctor said, not a tear.

As you said, rest is best for now.  Work handstands if you get restless.  Ibuprofen, eating lots or Omega 3 fatty acids, elevation, and ice may help with comfort and reduce the inflammation.

Also, try to take it one step at a time.  For now you don`t have an ACL tear, so don`t bother scheduling the surgery and lining up a good physical therapist for the post op.  All you gotta do is get to that MRI.  After that you can take the next step.

On the bright side, Mauricio Shogun Rua is defending his UFC title against Jon Jones this Saturday night... after having what was his third or fourth knee surgery last summer.  It is very possible to return to a high level of athletic performance after serious knee surgery.

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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 05:05:32 AM »
An X-ray wouldn't reveal an ACL tear
Get the MRI and then you'll know
There are also tests doctors can do by putting their hands on you physically to see if anything is off down there

I hope that everything works out for you and that you don't have an ACL tear
If you do have one, don't be discouraged or give up hope
You can and will recover if you take care of yourself

I'll be 5 months post-op from ACL reconstruction/partial menisectomy on March 28th
I opted for the donor graft
I'm back to kettlebell workouts, squats, deadlifts, running, and jumping already with no discomfort at all for the most part
I was actually practicing pistols yesterday to try and get those back after not doing them for so long

General recovery time line is 4 months = light running, etc, 6 months = begin gradual return to sports, 6-12 months full return to sports/100% confidence, etc
But this is general - for somebody in great shape that took good care of themselves before injury, you may find yourself beating some of these checkpoints

Work very hard while also taking into account your doctor's advice and having some pragmatism about the kind of things you should be trying

After surgery you can expect to be on crutches for 4-6 weeks
You can expect to be in A LOT of pain for the first days
You'll want to start working on getting your range of motion back immediately and also make sure you can get your leg perfectly straight
Do what you can to exercise your leg once you feel able
I started hitting the weights a little over a month ago I think and I regained the muscle mass I lost very quickly once I got there

Good luck to you!

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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 05:45:31 AM »
Generally, after an ACL tear your knee would be unstable all the time, and it would almost 95% swell up at least within the first few days.

Maybe you got a sprain or partial tear of something but it doesn't sound like ACL tear.

MRI will confirm though...

Biggest thing before surgery if it was an ACL tear is to strengthen and get as much ROM as possible. But we'll see once you get the MRI
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 06:30:56 AM »
Wishing you the best.  I pray it's not an ACL tear.  Keep your chin up.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 08:11:02 AM »
I'm wishing you the best man. Just think positive, there are plenty of crazy painful injuries that aren't actually that serious. It could always be something like that

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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 06:49:23 PM »
Thanks guys. My doctor did some of those feel tests you were talking about and he said it felt stable.

Also, there was no swelling whatsoever. Like none. But I also started icing it and whatnot like 3 seconds after it happened.

I guess why I'm so worried is because ACL tears are the "common" sports injury and I'm assuming I would've torn it before I touched my MCL or anything else in my knee.

Thanks for the support guys. Hoping that all I did was sprain it and I'm out for like 2-3 weeks at the most. =]

EDIT:

I've got a super ultra hardcore brace on my leg at the moment. But I can walk around without the brace (be it a slow walk/limp thing) and my leg does not feel unstable really. Just in pain. It did however, give out once immediately after I hurt it. But it hasn't since.

Brett- Can't do handstand stuff either ATM. The leg I injured (my left leg) is the leg I use for the lever in my handstands. Unless you meant just doing handstand presses?

Two days in now and still no swelling. Hopefully it stays that way.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 07:16:48 PM »
Knowing you, it'll only take a few days and some glue to fix the tear. :P
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 04:12:06 AM »
You should definitely be practicing both legs for levering up to handstand :P
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 07:00:33 AM »
You should definitely be practicing both legs for levering up to handstand :P

LOL thats exactly what I was thinking.

From what you've said the doctor told you, it sounds like you'll be ok in a few weeks. Don't worry unless you get confirmed bad news. I wish you the best bro.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 08:24:47 AM »
Use this time to get really strong upper body :D
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011, 08:52:02 AM »
Stay strong, Kyle!

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 05:43:56 PM »
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2011, 07:43:47 AM »
Yo.

So I was at the gym yesterday and me and some guys were just warming up. About 25-30 minutes into the session I threw a 540 kick. Not a big deal I do them all the time and they are pretty much second nature to me. However, for some reason I locked my kicking leg out in mid air and landed on it and it hyperextended on me. I heard what sounded like a rip and it was very unstable.

I went to a doctor today (knee specialist) and got some X-Rays. He told me that I just sprained my MCL and that my leg still felt too stable to have torn my ACL. I still opted to go get an MRI and will be getting one here in a few days just in case.

However, I am freaking myself out and I'm super paranoid. My doctor said he didn't think my ACL was torn, my X-Rays look fine, and that I was worrying over nothing. But am I? I'm not doing anything for the week. Just resting, but if my ACL is torn, how bad do you think it could've been if it wasn't even noticed yet. And if I did rip out, how long is the recovery. What is the surgery like? I'm super worried at the moment and I don't want to quit tricking because of this. Please help me out guys. Thanks.

I KNOW YOUR PAIN! I've torn my ACL in my left leg. The whole next week and a half I couldn't lift my lower leg up higher than 90 degrees without it hurting immensely.
Trust me, you'll loose some flexibility in that leg after it heals. It will be noticeable for the rest of your life, by the way. Your knee will begin to get sore much quicker than before, so you can't pound it like you do your good knee. But you'll still be able to train.

WHEN I WENT TO SEE THE SCHOOL NURSE WHEN IT HAPPENED, SHE SAID I JUST BUMPED MY KNEE. I WENT TO THE DOCTOR THREE DAYS LATER, AND THEN HE SAID IT WAS TORN.
He also told me it can take up to four days for the knee to show signs of a torn ACL.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2011, 10:45:12 AM »
Any update? It blows that you got hurt but with any luck at all it will just be the sprain.

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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2011, 02:29:11 PM »
Any update? It blows that you got hurt but with any luck at all it will just be the sprain.
MRI is on the 23rd. Will have confirmation then.

But I can now walk on it fully and go at a normal stride. No more limp really. It hurts more in the morning and then gets better as the day progresses. It's still in a little pain and still a bit stiff, but 4 days in now and still no swelling and no instability. I still walk around with the brace on, but I will take it off from time to time and walk without it and it still doesn't feel unstable. It's just sore and stiff at this point really.
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2011, 03:51:51 PM »
Thanks guys. My doctor did some of those feel tests you were talking about and he said it felt stable.

Also, there was no swelling whatsoever. Like none. But I also started icing it and whatnot like 3 seconds after it happened.

I guess why I'm so worried is because ACL tears are the "common" sports injury and I'm assuming I would've torn it before I touched my MCL or anything else in my knee.

If the doctor says it's stable and your not swelling up you lucked out.
 And it is very possible to injure the other ligaments without touching the ACL. Take me for example: Playing soccer with my swim team I got hit. My leg was planted and extended because I was trying to switch directions to avoid getting hit.  I thought I was going to get up and walk it off. Except I couldn't move my leg. Flash forward to E-rays and MRI - I completely tore the I partially tore my LCL, mostly tore the MCL, and COMPLETELY tore the PCL. Oh, and my femur apparently acted as a pile driver and crushed my tibia. 6 months of healing and PT and the doctors decided it didn't heal right (considering my shin could shift back and forth from my knee a whole inch) and I had a surgery to repair the MCL and PLCL, and completely replaced my PCL.

TL/DR - It's possible to injure the other ligaments without touching the ACL. I'm a walking proof  :)
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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2011, 08:14:48 PM »
If the doctor says it's stable and your not swelling up you lucked out.
 And it is very possible to injure the other ligaments without touching the ACL. Take me for example: Playing soccer with my swim team I got hit. My leg was planted and extended because I was trying to switch directions to avoid getting hit.  I thought I was going to get up and walk it off. Except I couldn't move my leg. Flash forward to E-rays and MRI - I completely tore the I partially tore my LCL, mostly tore the MCL, and COMPLETELY tore the PCL. Oh, and my femur apparently acted as a pile driver and crushed my tibia. 6 months of healing and PT and the doctors decided it didn't heal right (considering my shin could shift back and forth from my knee a whole inch) and I had a surgery to repair the MCL and PLCL, and completely replaced my PCL.

TL/DR - It's possible to injure the other ligaments without touching the ACL. I'm a walking proof  :)

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2011, 08:57:56 PM »
Damn girl, you're one tough cookie!


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Re: Blah might've torn my ACL...
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2011, 09:02:43 PM »
I messaged one of my friends who is an athletic trainer at my college about this and he said this:


"If you hyperextended your knee, your ACL would be fine, you would have sprained your PCL. 540s are definitely able to mess with the MCL if you land them with the leg facing backwards like a shitty one.
Don't worry, PCL injuries aren't too dangerous when not serious. I've hyperextended with front flips and sprained them twice, but nothing bad came out of it in the end. I thought it was a bruise on the bone (i was stupid back then) so I didn't bother asking to get it checked out. They heal by themselves if not too serious. You might be able to hyperextend a little more than you used to, but not by much. Obviously don't try to stretch your knee by hyperextension. Bending it is fine, just keep icing it and trying to bend it to get back the range of motion. Put the ice on the back and inside of your knee, it'll help more than if you put it on the front. Swelling is uncommon for minor PCL injuries because it's deep within the joint, any swelling (the inside of your joint is swollen, that's why it's stiff) won't really show up. Keep it moving, it'll get better faster with that.
Good on you for wearing the brace.

You know my creds bro. I'm a student athletic trainer and have torn my ACL before, so I can tell you that this is definitely not an ACL problem. No need to worry! I'm not an expert on meniscal injuries, but I highly doubt you damaged one if your knee didn't bend when you landed."

I am very relieved at the moment. =]
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