Topic: Practicallity of flips and all that crap

[Tex__]

lead by example seems like a far better way to teach than to fight.
 

Can I intervene? This hasn't become an informational "I ask you answer" post, this has become an argument, and it's annoying. I don't really care anymore, I don't think I'm going to ask questions like that anymore though.

you can ask questions, but placement is important, i think this thread would have done better in the movement section than general discussion.

[FreeStyleFox]

Tex its his post

[max eisenberg]

I've already given a solid example of when a front flip would be a good choice instead of other non-flipping actions - the barbed wire/razorwire fence. But please, go make me look stupid by trying to vault such an obstacle. Post pictures, too.

really? how exactly are you going to flip over a 10 foot high barbed wire fence? you cant actually be serious.

if you can flip over something you can jump it, ive climbed over barbed wire fences, quickly might i add. it isnt all that hard, you just have to watch what you are doing.

when did i ever say a vault is the only way to cross your obstacle?

so again, really?

[Andy Keller]

TROLLTROLLTROLLFEST

I wish I had something genuine to say that would stop all this bickering.

[WoodlandGhillie]

Perhaps we should create a list of what everyone agrees on with what a traceur/parkour is, and move on from there.

A traceur is respectful, for the environment, others, and self.

Parkour is efficient, and has ideas of longevity.

[MThomasfreerun]

@Max: Maybe you should READ people's comments before posting your own:

How about this: a teammate of mine brought up the excellent example of a chest high barbwire/razorwire fence with say a 8' drop on the other side. Are you planning to kong vault it? Dash vault perhaps? Certainly a dive roll is not a great idea...as I mentioned, I just have to find ONE example;-)

Now maybe you're assuming I'm 12' tall. I'm not. I'm 6'. So chest high for me is about 4' 8". Yes I can do a front flip over a fence this high. If you can't, then certainly don't.

Now if YOUR contention is that you can climb a barbed wire or razor wire (ouch!) 4' 8" foot fence with an 8' drop on the other side as fast as I can front flip it...well...I'll agree to disagree on that.

The original post was about practicality, and in parkour this argument tends to be focused on efficiency. Maybe you aren't concerned with efficiency so much as just getting over an object somehow. In that case, sure, climb it instead of flipping it. At that point I'd probably just walk around it though.

[Tex__]

Perhaps we should create a list of what everyone agrees on with what a traceur/parkour is, and move on from there.

A traceur is respectful, for the environment, others, and self.

Parkour is efficient, and has ideas of longevity.

not in this thread.

@Max: Maybe you should READ people's comments before posting your own:

Now maybe you're assuming I'm 12' tall. I'm not. I'm 6'. So chest high for me is about 4' 8". Yes I can do a front flip over a fence this high. If you can't, then certainly don't.

Now if YOUR contention is that you can climb a barbed wire or razor wire (ouch!) 4' 8" foot fence with an 8' drop on the other side as fast as I can front flip it...well...I'll agree to disagree on that.

The original post was about practicality, and in parkour this argument tends to be focused on efficiency. Maybe you aren't concerned with efficiency so much as just getting over an object somehow. In that case, sure, climb it instead of flipping it. At that point I'd probably just walk around it though.

i think if you have the ability to flip and it is the best option then it is practical, if you are not comfortable with flips and you are more comfortable with a different move then that move would be a better option. it will be different from person to person. but that's what makes this discipline great, there is no ONE right answer, we all have our own way to overcome and obstacle and our own unique style.

[FreeStyleFox]

I tried and Andy tried.  Closing arguments any one?  This has gone far and wide from the OP's topic and he is tired of the arguing.  I think around 10pm EST I will lock this.

[WoodlandGhillie]

Perhaps you should just split the topic Fox?

[WoodlandGhillie]

@Max: Maybe you should READ people's comments before posting your own:

Now maybe you're assuming I'm 12' tall. I'm not. I'm 6'. So chest high for me is about 4' 8". Yes I can do a front flip over a fence this high. If you can't, then certainly don't.

Now if YOUR contention is that you can climb a barbed wire or razor wire (ouch!) 4' 8" foot fence with an 8' drop on the other side as fast as I can front flip it...well...I'll agree to disagree on that.

You'll also have the increased danger of over rotating, (head first into an 8' drop doesn't sound fun.) and not tucking well enough. (Catching yourself on the wire, just like Max might.)

You'd have to make SURE you are ready and have perfect technique with the flip before it becomes "more efficient" than Max's fence climb.

[Tex__]

i think if you have the ability to flip and it is the best option then it is practical, if you are not comfortable with flips and you are more comfortable with a different move then that move would be a better option. it will be different from person to person. but that's what makes this discipline great, there is no ONE right answer, we all have our own way to overcome and obstacle and our own unique style.

my closing comment.

Perhaps you should just split the topic Fox?

there is a topic on definitions going on right now. look at general evan.

[Tex__]

http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,29446.0.html

[MThomasfreerun]

You'll also have the increased danger of over rotating, (head first into an 8' drop doesn't sound fun.) and not tucking well enough. (Catching yourself on the wire, just like Max might.)

You'd have to make SURE you are ready and have perfect technique with the flip before it becomes "more efficient" than Max's fence climb.

agreed 100%. It's not gonna be the right choice for everyone every time. The question was merely, "can it be practical?" And I have tried to provide an example of when it might be. I wasn't being an ass when I said "If you can't, then certainly don't."

[WoodlandGhillie]

http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,29446.0.html

Thanks. I guess that one missed an email notification.

[Luke MC]

Flips have a narrow window of practicality. In parkour, it is better to stay broad to begin with and practise fundamental skills. You should only specialise in these incredibly narrow situations later on. If you want to do flips anyway, that's fine, but strictly speaking is separate to your core parkour training. I think this answers the question. This is my closing argument.

[Tex__]

Flips have a narrow window of practicality. In parkour, it is better to stay broad to begin with and practise fundamental skills. You should only specialise in these incredibly narrow situations later on. If you want to do flips anyway, that's fine, but strictly speaking is separate to your core parkour training. I think this answers the question. This is my closing argument.

why not practice many different things to prepare for any situation?
also as far as training goes flips could be practical in the sense they help physically and mentally. self improvement.

[Luke MC]

why not practice many different things to prepare for any situation?
also as far as training goes flips could be practical in the sense they help physically and mentally. self improvement.

I already gave my opinions on this earlier in the thread:
http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,29314.msg368676.html#msg368676

[Andy Keller]

Last call, ladies and gentlemen. Topic will be closed at 10pm EST.

It's not worth trying to split.

[max eisenberg]

last call you say?

i have nothing to add but, safety first.   

[Tex__]

safety first.