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are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« on: May 13, 2010, 01:37:54 PM »
In the area I live in, I get around just fine and over just about every obstacle using just a kong, occasional sort of speed vault, cat jump, wall climb, muscle up, and breakfall.

I can understand how learning more would be useful if I ever move, might also be good for overall coordination.

...but the question stands. Should I go out of my way to find places where I can practice new vaults and moves if I don't really need them?
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 01:39:24 PM »
Yes. You should be able to adapt to ALL (!!!) environments.

What if you go to a jam, or get mugged in another state? (However small the likelihood...)

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 01:56:08 PM »
I'm 16. I don't forsee myself leaving state any time soon.

Either way, aren't there other ways to pass obstacles? There has got to be a way to get around it using different combinations of the basics.
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 04:47:12 PM »
sure, but would that be fun? If you're doing parkour because you enjoy it then every and all techniques are worth learning. It's about freedom of movement, there are no "necessities." It sounds like you think learning new moves is a "hassle" or "inconvenience." It's not like you're studying to pass a test or something, parkour progression should be infinite and everlasting.

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 05:18:29 PM »
Everyone has a favorite book, right? Problem is, it has a beginning, a middle, and the worst part: The End.  Each time you read it, the book stops, and get's more and more dull.

Parkour... parkour is different. It's a neverending book, that YOU write, YOU create. It can go wherever you want. You can, to quote Mr. Kessler, "... write myself false, or write myself grand. I can write my family rich, or write our pennies, as, SAND..."

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 05:23:15 PM »
but i don't have any places within reasonable distance to learn the vaults though. (If I do, I just haven't found it, or don't have the 'runner's sight' to recognize it)

I would have to spend a long time trying to find new places to learn.

I also don't have a teacher, which seems to be unanimously agreed upon as one of the best helpful things ever
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 07:37:08 AM »
what you should do is practice at your old training grounds with new techniques or lines...as for learning more, thats probly for the best to stay in shape and improve...but if your using parkour to your advantage and getting around fine, then what your doing is ok...remember parkour is about being comfortable with your enviroment, being able to move effectively and fluidly no matter the obstical, if your doing that then your good.
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 07:39:59 AM »
you dont need to focus on any techniques really.


my mind is constantly moving, one day my body will be strong enough to keep up.

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 08:13:34 AM »
I'd advise learning as much as you can, but don't try and rush anything.
Bad things happen then.

But yeah.
Find a rail.
You can do virtually any vault on a rail.
Lazy vault: Rail works.
Kong Vault: Rail works.
Slide Vault: Rail works.
Speed Vault: Rail works.
Dive Vault: Rail works.

Aaaand that's all the vaults I can put together which their actual movements in my head at this moment. :P
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 09:06:43 AM »
I'd say go for learning all of them, as even if they aren't useful or comfortable to you in your situation, it still helps your body awareness and overall ease of movement. And think outside the box; not everything has to be a set vault or anything. Try experimenting and just move over the obstacle.

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 10:59:37 AM »
I should probably start learning more vaults...
I'm not really comfortable enough with being sideways to practice lazys or speed vaults with the one goodish rail i found. I can do a kong just fine. I don't even know what a slide vault or dive vault is...
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 12:39:47 PM »
You should learn these techniques because Parkour is a 'in any place, any time' discipline. You will not always be in your town. What then? Each vault and technique has you use different movements and motor skills. Which is important to be proficient in all or most of them.

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 04:36:37 PM »
I should probably start learning more vaults...
I'm not really comfortable enough with being sideways to practice lazys or speed vaults with the one goodish rail i found. I can do a kong just fine. I don't even know what a slide vault or dive vault is...

A slide vault starts just like a speed vault, but as your body passes over the obstacle, you take your hand that you didn't use at the beginning, and push off the object you're going over.
So it looks like you're sliding over it.

The dive, or my understanding of it anyways, is running at the object, diving into it and planting your hands on it, passing your body through your arms, and land running.

Although, i'm probably incorrect on that one.. Maybe.
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 04:55:23 PM »
thats a kong, just saying...

idk what the slide or dive vault is either. i can picture what they might be, but idk if they're right

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 05:04:05 PM »
thats a kong, just saying...

idk what the slide or dive vault is either. i can picture what they might be, but idk if they're right

I'm pretty sure my description of a slide-vault is right..
But the dive-vault..
I don't know.. xD
I'm pretty sure it's similar to the Kong..
Eh, ah well.

Maybe the dive just has more jump?
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 05:06:10 PM »
ur thinking of a diving kong.

dive vault might be just diving over something

slide vault sounds like it would be sweet...i see it more as you're on a raised platform surrounded by the 2 peice rails...slide under the rails, maybe putting one hand on a rail...kinda like an underbar, just using the ground instead of a rail...

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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 05:32:55 PM »
yo gregg you just gotta look outside the box man... like the others said forget "techniques" to a point and just find a way up,around,through whatever just open your eyes. do you have trees where your at I mean trees are one of my favs to practice on. some examples:
wall-flip
tic-tac
precision to half-cat(swinging on branch)
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2010, 05:55:29 PM »
My backyard is literally a forest. Most of the trees don't have low hanging branches. (Maine is the pine tree state for a reason)

I obviously don't have the mental ability to recognize these spots...

I really wish I had a gym to practice in. I'm not a big risk taker when it comes to pain.
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2010, 07:08:32 PM »
See now what your calling a slide I call a thief...am i wrong?
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Re: are ALL these techniques really that necessary to learn?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2010, 07:24:56 PM »
i thought a theif was a lazy/dash hyprid...

like, it starts as a dash but turns into a lazy...