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Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« on: August 22, 2006, 11:24:40 AM »
We get a reasonable amount of email form people past the 4-0 mark who are looking to keep active and find that Parkour / Freerunning are a perfect fit. After all, who really wants to let go of their natrual playfulness and adventurous spirit?

Personally I had to use my fake id to get in this forum, another 4 years before I rightfully belong, but hopefully you'll allow me to participate as I am a pretty active member here :)

For anyone who is not 40, please feel free to read, but not participate in the discussions, as that would be against the point of giving the older folks a home of their own. Of course if they ask for other people's opinions then feel free. I'll be keeping an eye out in here just to see how this goes.
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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 10:44:04 AM »
If AARP-league mid-50's guys fall into this category I guess this is where I belong.

M2 asked me to make a contribution (because of my "old & advanced years").

My first exposure to PK came on an episode of CSI-NY.  When I saw those guys "effortlessly" turn running into an "art-form" I was hooked.  I've been able to stay physically active all my life by eating pretty good, not overdoing it, and finding activities that I LOVE to do--that's the key.  If you love it--you'll do it.  If you think you SH0ULD be doing something--and actually hate it--you won't do it.  It's that simple.  I bodysurf & play basketball just about everyday.  I love them both, they're EASY (convenient) for me to do, and I manage to work them into my schedule.

With regards to PK, I practice "injury-avoidance" at all costs--'cause when you're hurt, you can't play--major bummer.  I simply try to incorporate about 5-6 basic moves whenever I am "out-and-about".  A good example.  Two weekends ago I had to take a late-night flight to Reno, and then drive 4 hours the next day to my sisters wedding.  Waking up at the CircusCircus Casino (where we spent the night) I could not get out of that place FAST enough.  I hit the streets about 6:00am, soon found a nearby public park that had the most outrageous jungle-gym setup I have ever seen.  It had a least six different slides from six different towers, a rockclimbing wall and a huge assortment of ascending and descending apparatus surrounding it.  I was all over that thing like a monkey for about 20 minutes, breaking a quick sweat in the 40 degree morning air.  A park lady showed up to pick up trash, clean the bathrooms, etc. and probably thought to herself "aren't you a little old for that?"

I "fled" the scene only to discover a large empty parking lot next to a construction site that had a huge pile of monster boulders dumped into it (probably for a future landscaping project).  I started by "rock-hopping" from one leg to the other--then as I got my "sea legs", started doing cat leaps from one boulder to another.  Totally awesome!!--Different elevations, different distances, different landing configurations--a great workout and great fun!  The construction workers who were just showing up for the day probably thought I was on CRACK!!...Nope, just having fun...

On my way back to the casino, I passed through the adjacent parking garage which was mostly empty.  I discovered a great railing setup (with a sloping ramp), where I practiced various-height monkey-vaults, speed vaults, and turn vaults.  I also did some simple "balance walks" on some car barriers that were about 3' off the ground.  It was a great PK creative workout--the reason I LOVE it.
Us "senior citizens" need to take special heed with regards to the more "extreme" moves displayed on most PK videos.  You don't need to backflip off a building to have a great time.  Remember, you want to live to "see another day".

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« Last Edit: September 01, 2006, 04:39:29 AM by David Wellens »
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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2006, 10:07:13 AM »
Ok, I admit it, I'm 40, but I feel 25; in better shape than when I was 25 cycling 30 miles daily.  I hope to feel 24 next year.  :) 
I have been crossfiting for 2.5 months and just happened upon this site a couple weeks ago.  I started working out at the parks more than the gym lately and have been attempting to parkour on the beams and odd obstacles.  Today part of the crossfit WOD was 24" box jumps and instead I tried precisions on the sharp edge of a ramp.  Well, I forgot to jump off once and fell on my tail bone.  The rest of the workout slowed to a crawl. 

This remined me of when I fell off my 5' giraffe unicycle right onto the asphalt a couple years ago.  Also it reminded me of the spill I had in the mountains unicycling after some hikers and mountain bikes - this is called MUNI - an actual sport involving somewhat hazardous tricks with a unicycle in whatever surroundings; quite like parkour. 

So I have been unicycling for 25 years or so off and on, have a nice collection of them now but not riding much lately.  The idea of being able to to fantastic tricks amongst my surroundings with just my body was intriguing and thus here I am. 

I have been working on my muscle-up with a gravitron and just pulled off a 40# assist the other day.  Also working on pullups and handstand pushups as well as sprinting along with the standard crossift WOD.  I have been looking at trying to incorporate APK WOD as well, but I'm not quite in that great shape yet. 

I want everyone to know that turning 40 doesn't have to be like most couch potatoes.  I am sure that I am in better condition than 99% of those at my age, and my intention is to feel and look younger for the next 300 to 500  years.  You think I'm kidding?   Well, as long as I stay active and keep a good diet - paleo by the way and incorporating intermittent fasting, my health is going up as evidenced by improved strength, endurance, flexibility, accuracy and occasional blood tests to check cholesterol and blood sugars.

I look forward to this ever encouraging community and way of life.  Now go jump!

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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2006, 05:28:40 AM »
Well, just when you thought you've seen it all--MUNI?--mountain unicycling?

One piece of important advice us "older guys" can certainly pass on to the younger crew is injury avoidance.  Lack of it catches up to you BIG TIME when you get older (if you are lucky to live that long).  All of the bumps, scrapes, bruises, strains, tears, and need I say BROKEN things all come back to haunt you in a BIG way later--do not be fooled!!!  Youth is unfortunately "wasted" on the young.  IF you gain a little bit of wisdom down the road, you WILL look back and be somewhat embarrassed at some of the ridiculous shit you pulled (or tried to pull) "in the days of your youth".  It would be interesting to follow up on (if anybody does) all those who are (& have been) participating in "X-Games" activities of any sort over the last decade and see how they are "doing" when they reach 40.  Are they moving about in a "walker" or on crutches from all of the trauma they subjected themselves to? 

I once followed basketball great Bill Walton through the metal detector at the airport about 5 years ago and he could barely walk!  I also got to know Walt Sweeney, an ex-San Diego Charger from the 60's era, who, in his late 40's could also barely walk.  I know an early 20-something who has been participating in BMX-style X-games who has had 12 major bone breaks!  He is NOT going to be a happy camper IF he reaches 40.  LISTEN!!!  YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE FOREVER AND YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE FROM INJURY AND YOU CANNOT LEAP TALL BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND EVEN IF YOU STICK THE LANDING!!!  There are residual consequences for overdoing EVERYTHING!

Being a bodysurfer, I have had the extreme pleasure of meeting and getting to know Bobby Beathard who was the general manager of 7 different Super Bowl teams throughout his illustrious career with the Chiefs, Redskins, Dolphins & Chargers.  This last weekend he won the 65+ and older division of the World Bodysurfing Championships held in Oceanside, CA. at the ripe old age of 69!!!, and he is in GREAT shape.  All of his extra-curricular "fun" activities over the years have been low-impact, relatively "safe" endeavours that have NOT beat him to death. Traceurs take note.  PK taken to the EXTREME WILL beat you to death and leave you hobbling around by the time you are 40 if you are not careful. 

One important approach to PK that you may or may not already incorporate is don't segregate in your head your designated daily "workout" separate from your regular daily life.  Whenever I am "out & about" running errands of ANY sort, I am always thinking PK.  Whether it be going to the store, school, church, dentist appointment--whatever--I always RUN from my truck looking for PK opportunities even if my destination is only 25 yards from where I parked.  I'll run along a curb, ALWAYS run up or down any stairs by 2's, leap over ANY railing opportunity, vault over anything on the way, tictac off of whatever--it doesn't matter!!  Remember--this is what makes PK fun.  Your "workouts develop your skills" so you can incorporate them into the REST of your life.  Have FUN out there, and BE CAREFUL!  YOU want to also be able to contribute to this forum when YOU are 40+--and not from a wheelchair!

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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 12:20:10 PM »
WOW!!! I am really stoked reading your stories! I'm only 37, so like M2 I'm not quite there either, but it is SO encouraging to read your stories and see that as a thirtysomething, I'm not too old for PK, and that in fact, with continued practice, it only gets BETTER! Thank you so much for your participation!  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2006, 04:37:36 AM »
Heck, at 37, by all rights, you're still a young pup!

I am fortunate enough to live in San Diego, which by the way, has the BEST weather, all year around, of any place in the continental U.S.  And that also means we have OUTDOOR sporting activities 12 months out of the year, including a non-stop parade of triathalons, duathalons, 10Ks, 5Ks, you name it, we have it, unending. ( I personally don't participate in any of them 'cause "long distance" ANYTHING bores the hell out of me--the very reason I love PK--a LOT of fun in a small space & time.)  Observing participants who engage in these activities in my neck of the woods includes ALL age categories--forget 40-somethings--we're talking 70+somethings in damn good shape.  One thing that those guys (and gals) have in common is that they have PACED themselves those 7 decades to still be able to enjoy those activities. 

In sharp contrast, I have a very close personal friend who will be turning 80 next month.  He is/was a natural-born athlete, high school and college baseball star, drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals, went into engineering instead, but continued his athletic endeavours in his personal life.  In the mid-60's, he was probably one of the first to take up "recreational" running, based on a ground-breaking book that came out at that time, the "bible" for training astronauts, called "AEROBICS"--a term we are all NOW familiar with.  If you weren't alive (and aware) in the mid-60's, NOBODY was running the streets for "fun".  You were a freak if you did.  The only people running were high school or college athletes training for track or cross-country, or some other athletic endeavour.  He bought the very FIRST "running shoe" (by a new company called Adidas) that was specifically designed for street running, and by todays standards, prehistoric in design, with almost no real cushioning in the sole of the shoe for miles spent pounding asphalt and concrete.  After about 15 years of averaging 5 miles/day with very few missed days and not running with a very smooth-flowing gait (he would land HARD on his heels), he had to hang up his shoes after suffering from shin-splints, knee problems, hip problems, you name it. 

But it didn't stop there.  He simply transferred his activities to the tennis courts for the next 15 years or so, where he diligently continued to degrade the situation--just at a slower pace.  His rewards--shoulder replacements, hip replacements, spinal degeneration--a complete structural breakdown, where he now moves about like a man who is 120, instead of participating in a 5K's with the rest of the 80-somethings, which he could have easily done had he PACED HIMSELF!!!

I hate to beat a dead horse, but at 37, you potentially have a long and useful athletic future ahead of you as long as you keep it all in perspective.  Find the things in PK that "fit" you--DON'T go trying on someone else's moves just because they look cool, but will probably ending up breaking YOUR neck.  To each his own.  Stay within your comfort range, and if you are going to attempt something OUT of that range, do it in such small increments that it won't be such a big deal to accomplish.  Think "gradualism"--it works.

As a P.S.  I receive Jesse's WOD--and cringe.  Because of a lingering wrist injury, I am completely unable to even attempt half of the exercises he suggests, and certainly the numbers of reps are completely out of the question.  But what I do is to take each WOD, find the exercises I can do, ramp the reps WAY down so that I can make an honest attempt at the numbers of SETS he is shooting for.  The foundational philosophy that the WOD is based on (Crossfit) is revolutionary.  I just have to make it work for me within my limitations.

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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 09:39:30 AM »
I'm 48.  I used to do this stuff when i was younger and it had no name.  I was a stunt man/martial artist, and always loved being able to clear an obsacle when not many others could.  I directed a movie last year (www.sirenthemovie.com) and got pretty out of shape (too much stress, Red Bull, and sitting in front of an editing console).  It wasn't until the end of that process that I discovered Parkour on the internet.  Old passions immediately emerged, and I started on the road to get fit again.  After a serious bout of shinsplints that I'm just getting over, I've lost 20 pounds, I can do most of the vaults pretty well, and am determined to get a muscleup. I live in Las Vegas, where the weather is just cooling off enough to do some stuff outdoors.   I'm a filmmaker, and hope to do some Parkour films soon.  Thanls to the administrators for making a thread for us old guys.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 07:34:16 AM »
Hey Pat--great websites--especially "Episode DEW" (which happens to be my initials, by the way).

With a stuntman/martial arts background, you certainly have a history of "body movement"--along with the realization of "use it or lose it".  There's probably only going to be a few of us with enough "water under the bridge" to lend some perspective to the younger demographics of PK.  (You may want to think twice about trying to keep up with them--all of your parts are off warranty!)  I recently just had my left foot stomped on on the basketball court which has sidelined me for the last three weeks from hoops and PK.  I'm not happy about it, but easing off is the only route of return.  (Fortunately the surf has been good so I haven't completely atrophied.)

Anyway, the two of us have a valuable perspective to lend to this forum, both to our "generation", and especially to the younger ones who think they will always be young and invincible.  Please feel free to contribute.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2006, 08:41:28 PM »
Absolutely.  I can speak from experience about injuries that will haunt you for the rest of your life.  Never take for granted that extra minute or two to warm up (ripped hamstring when I was 19) or doing something you really should know better (shoulder separation during a horse fall when I was 38).  As much as the younger crowd thinks that they are indestructable, we can let them know that these things can haunt you for a long time.  That being said, it's still a blast to take my out of warranty body to places most people can't go.

I'm glad you liked the website and Episode Dew, and I'm jealous that you get to surf.  Have you ever seen the documentary "Step into Liquid"?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2006, 11:19:06 AM »
"Step Into Liquid"--seen it, love it, own it.

If you want to really blow your mind, try on "Riding Giants" for size, produced by Stacy Peralta of "Dogtown & Z-Boys" fame.  It's the history of big wave riding--mind-boggling & death-defying!  More on the "longevity theme", PBS produced a great little piece called "Surfing For Life" which is truly inspirational.  Check 'em out.

Hey, it's Sunday afternoon.  The sun is out, the waves are up--I better go "take care of business".  M2 wants everybody outside on the weekends--I don't want to piss him off!

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 11:42:31 PM »
Thanks, I've got "Riding Giants" too.  I actually got to see it in the theater.  Very cool, I wish there were camcorders back in those days, very little of the pioneering days  of surfing are recorded.  Not like the parkour pioneers these days.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2006, 04:31:11 PM »
Hey, what's with the weekend talk? :P

Nice to see you guys active!! Pat, I owe you an email from a long time ago .. my to-do list is riding about 3 1/2 weeks right now :( !!

I've heard from some other guys who ar eworking to get into the forums and keep us company, one is 54 and came to one fo our training sessions.

I also have a great article / interview to put together from a series of emails I got from a great stunt guy, so hopefully that will be out soon.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2006, 04:38:50 PM »
Howdy-

I'm 36, and been doing the other sections instead of this one. I figured I'd introduce myself quickly before starting a new thread. Unlike how it sounds for most of the oldsters here, I have NO history of being into a similar activity. I have been a relatively fit cyclist and swimmer at some points in my life, but that's about it for athleticism. And I've been quite sedentary for a while now.

So now it's time to get fit for parkour. The appeal is great for me. I've had attraction to martial arts in the past, but couldn't keep a lot of interest. I think that's largely because I plan on never actually fighting someone--could happen, but I'm diligently avoiding it. And while I know intellectually that there's other benefits to be gained from martial arts study, that's only intellectual.

Parkour, on the other hand, I can totally see myself doing, whether the movement for fun or the application for real.

So, hi! More in other threads.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 11:10:17 AM »
Ran across your entry on "balanced caution" and posted a response there.

Also, saw your post under the "Injury" forum regarding "lower back/hip" issues.  There are definitely multiple ways to approach your situation based on what you're comfortable with--standard doctor, chiropractor, message therapist, etc.  And of course R.I.C.E. 

"Outside" magazine ran a very interesting article a couple of months ago regarding bone strength & density.  It basically concluded that bones actually "require" a "reasonable" amount of stress & impact trauma in order to retain their strength.  They had further quanitified actual bone density LOSS in athletes that do NOT participate in an "impacting" activity. Swimming & cycling, activities which you mentioned, were grouped in the NON-impacting category.  My first two loves are bodysurfing & basketball, with a little PK thrown in for good measure.  I would also be in that same category if it wasn't for shooting hoops everyday, which I use as my warmup for PK.  If your body has not been accustomed to regular "pounding" from some related activity and you "jump" straight into a rigorous PK regimen, you may be overstressing your skeletal structure that needs a chance to adjust.  Remember, your not 16 anymore.

Gradualism=no injuries=longevity=a happy camper.  Injuries=down-time=no fun+possible "early retirement".

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 12:45:02 PM »
Hello everybody,

My name is Dave, i'm a dad of two kids I'll turn 34 (so still a rookie here) next thursday and i'm from Holland. I've been reading your 30/40+ board the last day's and it inspired me to ask for a same kind of board on www.parkour.nl where i'm rather active. My question has been regarded but there are still not a lot off 30+ traceurs in holland (you americans alway do it bigger and more uh? ;D) But hey at least there's a board now to encourage (older/mature) people to pick up this fantastic thing called parkour.
I've been training now since june 16th after searching to replace my training in aikido wich i've practised for 16 years. And I just love it. I have a history in rockclimbing, windsurfing, besides aikido other martial arts and i did som athletics. Enough to have a good base for parkour. I especialy love the philosophic idea behind it wich, I think, has a lot of similarities with aikido.
Further more there is to say I'm a teacher in highschool and so I have no problems with mixing with the young ones (usually I'm more "childish" as they are)
I'll will be following this board as it is also interesting for my dutch forum and because I read a lot of encouriging things here.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2007, 12:50:22 PM »
Wel I could't edit my post anymore but forgot to tell that I've made some vids you can find at url]http://www.youtube.com/my_videos[/url] to see my progressions
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2007, 03:11:27 PM »
Well, I'm only 31, but almost always the oldest at jams by a number of years, so I'm going to go ahead and introduce myself here anyway.

I love that there's a whole section for older folks here! It's so hard to convince anyone over 30 that parkour is just as accessible to them as to anyone else, albeit accessed at a lower energy level perhaps. I'm often sad that I didn't know about parkour in my body's peak years, but glad to have discovered it at an age where playing has taken on newfound importance and I no longer feel the need to prove to anyone I'm a grown up by avoiding things like this.

Keep representing! Keep bringing your friends out (even if they only go once)! As David said, just getting through a crowd can be parkour. And personally, I think it's a lot more fun than yoga.

*raising a glass to all my intrepid older friends* - keep it up!

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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2007, 07:35:46 PM »
Welcome!
You will really grow to appreciate this board. When I first started, just a few months ago, I thought sure I'd get flamed out. Turns out, I was wrong. It was great to hear the support and encouragement as a beginner. I have also found that the young guys I train with seem different than young guys I've been around in other sports. Probably the philosophy thing you mentioned. I'm sure they are a little uncomfortable having me there but I have never felt unwelcome or that one of them needed to "show" me how awesome they are. We are all just enjoying it. Good luck and have fun!

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2008, 05:28:13 PM »
Hello all.   Not sure I meet the qualifying 40s yet, but about to turn 34 and been around the block a few times.

My name is Andres, I originally started PKesque movement and motion in Spain around 1988 or so.  At the time it was just the way my cousin and I kept fit, chased each other around, and had a blast, no matter where we were.  My cousin and I called it cityscaping for a lack of a better term.  For us it was a game, escaping the way everyone else used the pathways and barriers.  We found creative ways to move around without ever using the sidewalks and streets.  Being both physically fit and agile, we would play tag, with obstacle matching.  There weren't that many alternatives that we could do freely anywhere we went.  Madrid was our playground and we adapted ourselves around it, over it, and through it.  Little did I ever dream that the fun we had then would eventually become a recognized 'named' sport.  I'm thankful it is.  Although for us the point was to test our agility with each other, keep fit, stretch our limits, and have fun together as teenagers.  Now in retrospect I'm glad that was a part of how I grew up, for although I never participated in 'High-school' type sports, I still am twice as nimble as most people in their 20s. 

I don't practice PK because it will help me in a life or death situation, lets be real....the chances of that are slim considerig the way I live my life, although if it came down to it I don't doubt that it would help me survive.  I don't practice it to look cool or brag to my friends, most of them don't get it, even though it is pretty cool to do and watch. 

I love PK because all the while I am having a blast bending my body and molding it around my environment I also keep fit, healthy, and spend a considrable amount of time focusing my mind on my self.  My limits, my goals, my focus, concentration, and mental accuity are all focusing on that moment, that place, that obstacle, my breathing, my being.

I can scan a location or the scene ahead and immediately see obstacles, issues, areas to be careful of or conversely, how to traverse it and have a bit of fun in the process.  Although at times I know seeing me monkey around from limb to limb or wall to wall may make my girlfriend look at me funny and blush at the onlookers, she sure does like my physical prowess later once we are home and I tic-tac into the bedroom and stick a precision landing into the covers.  After a while she gave me the green light to fly about the city any way I like as long as it helped me stay 'fit'. 

It isn't about efficiency of movement for me.  I actually think many of the movements in PK are not energy or movement efficient.  Its about having a blast no matter where I go, with nothing in pocket or in hand, I can make a playground out of the asphalt and walk away with a smile on my face all the while my body builds agility, endurance, physical strength, core strength, balance, awareness, and sensitivity. ...I'm glad to see an entire community built around the philosophies that embody PK. 

FlynTiger.
Chinese Horoscope meets PK

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Tampa, FL
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Re: Welcome Quatrogenarians!
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2008, 11:25:27 AM »
Wow, its good to see this age bracket for PK.
Let me introduce myself, I am the Grape Ape, what brought me here is my son,a five year old that could power the world with the energy that he has. I've been pretty active all my life; not a sport that I cannot play, I may not be the best but I can partcipate at a reasonably good level.

What brought me here was I was looking for a sport that my son and I could do together or at least encourage him todo. I noticed he loved doing cartwheels and front rolls at speed and running and jumping on to the couch and sometimes over it. Which reminded me of something I had seen years ago; it was a BBC special about freerunning with David Belle and Sebastion Fouchan(sp)  with them running and jumping and rolling; and thought this would be perfect for him.

Then I looked at myself and realised that the last ten years of my life, were a waste, I had stopped being active and the beer-belly was getting bigger. Something had to change the birth of my son and the responsibility of being a parent slowed down my once active lifestyle again. So now I have a new determination to get in better shape and have the energy to be there for my kids.

I know at my age that some of the moves just aren't worth it, but the fun of controlling your body and to see what it can do is amazing. Plus PK seems to be a timeless activity; it can be done at any age, unlike other sports where their is a finite life span for upward progression.

In my youth I was a skateboarder,Tony Hawk wasn't even a pro, and Tony Alva ruled the pool. Moved on to tennis had natural ability with that sport, claim to fame lost to a Wimbledon finalist 6-0 6-1, still have for the game just not the time. Played basketball, baseball, hockey at club levels. Then I found snowboarding,before the kids where here, and loved it. Mountain biked in the off season just to be in the woods. Well thats me in a nutshell thanks for reading play hard and play safe.

Two questions on what would you do? (1) would you send your son/daughter to Judo first or gymnastic first? I personally took judo when I was younger and learning the ability to fall correctly was a Godsend.

Or(2) would you send them to gymnastics to learn balance and body awareness?

thanks

40 yrs physically
27 yrs mentally