No problem man. You taught me a few useful things, and again thanx so much for the Y help. lol. I'm not sure the pic of me without a shirt on the tree will be a great pic. I am not phogenic whatsoever, and not the kind of guy that goes around town without a shirt for obvious reasons lol. let me know if you ever take another hastings trip. Shatakwa park has the best playground. I could practise for hours there. I wish i could have showed you that lol. another time i guess.