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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2009, 05:51:25 PM »
Jules and Ryan, I am down guys!
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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2009, 08:11:47 AM »
http://www.fbh.be/

seems interesting, is this the mn federation Erwan was talking about a while ago, i tried to find it before but i dont speak french so that makes things hard:(

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2009, 04:20:45 PM »
no-ones [osted here in a while so i just thought id say i got 1 min underwater and 100m swim in 2:35

the 2:35 is'nt great, but its a start:)

if you know post what you got please:D

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2009, 04:32:53 PM »
 Ninja,  was this one min  swimming?  laying at the bottom of a pool?

  Some tips to hold your breath longer
 1) get your face wet. especially your eyelids and your ears.
 2) Your breathing should be similar to  " inhale for 4 sec, hold for 2 sec, exhale 10 sec, hold for 2, repeat.
            I prefer to do 1&2 together, face in the water with a snorkel. for around 3 min

 3) warm up with two breath holds.

 4 Go for max.  With the breathing and warming up you be able to hit 230- 3 no problem.. If you hold it long enough you will experiance contractions in your diaphram. this is normal and you can push further then this. Contractions are the start of the "hard" phase in a breathhold. Your breath hold can be pushed to a little over 33% -50 %longer after the start of the hard phase.

          ALWAYS PRACTICE WITH SOMEONE WATCHING OVER YOU [/size] seriously you would be suprised by how much people die every year doing breath holds in a pool without a spot.

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2009, 12:59:31 AM »
Thanks for the tips, Derek. I'm so congested... I'll try, see how it works for me.
Spotter is always a good idea. I've never done it, but then I don't stay down very long. After just finishing 10 of the other tests, I don't usually have the breath left. There is a lifeguard, tho, about 25 feet away.

The chart just said totally submerged underwater. I didn't read the book super-close... don't know if there are a bunch of picky rules that I overlooked. I don't think so. There were other tests for diving, etc, but I don't remember seeing any more rules. There -IS- a page in that section that didn't get scanned by Google...

My best 100m swim was 1:25, but my dives have only been 30-40 sec. Pathetic by Derek standards ;D
You can see my scores since April on my training log "Btay - tastes like parkour". Too tired to put up a link for it. Will be testing again before FRI. [Hope to be over this cold...]

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #85 on: December 30, 2009, 07:35:09 AM »
i was holding myself underwater by gripping the edge of the pool:)

thanks dude i didnt know any of that stuff:) there is a life-guard but unfortunately i doubt theres any chance of me getting a spotter:(

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #86 on: December 30, 2009, 07:43:51 AM »
jeez you got really good scores!:D

what did you do for the climbing? a rope in a tree? and the the throwing, a rock or a weight or summat?

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #87 on: December 30, 2009, 08:39:38 AM »
A good forum for freediving breath hold Tips and training  is
deeper blue

 A Life guard is trained how to spot people who need help on the surface. If your near the edge and blackout chances are the lifeguard will not spot you till  after your "terminal gasp"  meaning you probably wont be saved.

I freedive quite a bit by myself, But ive also been to certification classes and know the risk and how to minimize the risk as well as anyone..... Even still every time you enter the water without a spot (even just sitting on the edge of the pool) you are betting against your life.


 Freediving is interesting in it takes hardly any real fitness. Ive seen 50 yr old women who where well out of shape do over 5 min. 
   One reason for this might be the aquatic ape theory. Pretty much say humans evolved Bipedly and hairless becouse we where ment to live around the waters edge. Big brains becouse of lots 0f omegga 3 from fish. Hairless becouse its hydrodynaminc. Ease of water births. Mammilian dive reflex, oily skin, etc.


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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #88 on: December 30, 2009, 07:03:27 PM »
Doing tests today. Couple good scores, despite this stinking cold. Couple not so good ones. I'll see tonight when I score it out.

Throwing is a 16# rock. I keep it hid off to the side, and have been using the same one since April. It's oblong, and not smooth, but it's the right weight, and one side fits my hands well.

Climbing is a rope at one of the schools - they've got this little course - looks like they run people through it two at a time? It's a bit short, but it's not like I'm climbing 12m no legs right now.

Thanks for the tips Derek. I'll read them tonight, and start practicing them for next month.

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #89 on: December 30, 2009, 08:31:47 PM »
Forgot to mention.
 You should breath up for your breath hold for twice your estimated time  ie 4 min for a 2 min hold. And once you resurfaces recover for the twice the time before you dive agian

is there enough interest for me to make an intructional thread? 

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2009, 01:19:54 AM »
Yeah, put it under swimming, or develop it as its own cool thing. Thanks D!

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2009, 08:23:27 AM »
totally please:D

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2010, 10:03:02 AM »
from movnat.com

@Alejandro: to protect your skin against the sun, there are some sun screens that are entirely made of natural components and work perfectly.
But the best protection is the skin itself, and how it is healthily nourished thanks to proper diet, and of course to avoid exposure at certain hours, depending on the weather or your complexion.
To repel mosquitoes, there are also repellents that are made of essential oils, you can as well use ash as mosquitoes hate the smell. Now, you also get used to them at some point, so they bother you much less even though you still get bites.

@Tony, despite I am meeting 2 literary agents while I am in NYC, the book project is postponed as I have decided to go for DVDs first, that are a much more practical material than a book. The book anyway will cover mainly natural movement, I will keep for later the idea of a different book about my philosophy of “True Nature”, which then will cover many lifestyle patterns including nutrition, again in a way that is practical, providing simple ideas that can be easily applied to improve one’s life and make it more natural, healthier. Not sure about a cookbook though :D .

@Pieter thanks, well I wish that MovNat gets an increasing recognition for sure as I know how beneficial it can be to people, hence the importance of making the training accessible to many, hence the importance of instructional video material and certified trainers.
I am very aware that not everybody can afford to attend one of my events, but in the meantime it is these very events that are going to give me the means to work on developing other projects, so I hope people can understand that!

@Brad and Matthew: John did an awesome job to represent the Paleodiet and MovNat! (I encourage people to adopt the Paleodiet, at the same time I respect that people have ethical concerns and choose to not eat animals).

@Greg: the MovNat training shorts are awesome indeed, they have a MMA cut, they are super light and stretchable so you don’t feel them at all when you move. If you want to buy them you have to email contact@movnat.com.
We will officially sell them (normally) before the summer, along with the first DVD.


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IS ANYONE ELSE REALLY FRICKEN EXCITED!!!!!!

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2010, 11:54:47 AM »
"Army drops bayonets, busts abs in training revamp" article by SUSANNE M. SCHAFER Associated Press

FORT JACKSON, S.C. (AP) - New soldiers are grunting through the kind of stretches and twists found in "ab blaster" classes at suburban gyms as the Army revamps its basic training regimen for the first time in three decades.

Heeding the advice of Iraq and Afghanistan combat veterans, commanders are dropping five-mile runs and bayonet drills in favor of zigzag sprints and exercises that hone core muscles. Battlefield sergeants say that's the kind of fitness needed to dodge across alleys, walk patrol with heavy packs and body armor or haul a buddy out of a burning vehicle.

Trainers also want to toughen recruits who are often more familiar with Facebook than fistfights.

"Soldiers need to be able to move quickly under load, to be mobile under load, with your body armor, your weapons and your helmet, in a stressful situation," said Frank Palkoska, head of the Army's Fitness School at Fort Jackson, which has worked several years on overhauling the regime.

"We geared all of our calisthenics, all of our running movements, all of our warrior skills, so soldiers can become stronger, more powerful and more speed driven," Palkoska said. The exercises are part of the first major overhaul in Army basic fitness training since men and women began training together in 1980, he said.

The new plan is being expanded this month at the Army's four other basic training installations—Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., Fort Sill, Okla., Fort Benning, Ga., and Fort Knox, Ky.

Drill sergeants with experience in the current wars are credited with urging the Army to change training, in particular to build up core muscle strength. One of them is 1st Sgt. Michael Todd, a veteran of seven deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

On a recent training day Todd was spinning recruits around to give them the feel of rolling out of a tumbled Humvee. Then he tossed on the ground pugil sticks made of plastic pipe and foam, forcing trainees to crawl for their weapons before they pounded away on each other.

"They have to understand hand-to-hand combat, to use something other than their weapon, a piece of wood, a knife, anything they can pick up," Todd said.

The new training also uses "more calisthenics to build core body power, strength and agility," Palkoska said in an office bedecked with 60-year-old black and white photos of World War II-era mass exercise drills. Over the 10 weeks of basic, a strict schedule of exercises is done on a varied sequence of days so muscles rest, recover and strengthen.

Another aim is to toughen recruits from a more obese and sedentary generation, trainers said.

Many recruits didn't have physical education in elementary, middle or high school and therefore tend to lack bone and muscle strength. When they ditch diets replete with soda and fast food for healthier meals and physical training, they drop excess weight and build stronger muscles and denser bones, Palkoska said.

Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling of the Army's Training and Doctrine Command, the three-star general in charge of revamping all aspects of initial training, said his overall goal is to drop outmoded drills and focus on what soldiers need today and in the future.

Bayonet drills had continued for decades, even though soldiers no longer carry the blades on their automatic rifles. Hertling ordered the drills dropped.

"We have to make the training relevant to the conditions on the modern battlefield," Hertling said during a visit to Fort Jackson in January.

The general said the current generation has computer skills and a knowledge base vital to a modern fighting force. He foresees soldiers using specially equipped cell phones to retrieve information on the battlefield to help repair a truck or carry out an emergency lifesaving medical technique.

But they need to learn how to fight.

"Most of these soldiers have never been in a fistfight or any kind of a physical confrontation. They are stunned when they get smacked in the face," said Capt. Scott Sewell, overseeing almost 190 trainees in their third week of training. "We are trying to get them to act, to think like warriors."

For hours, Sewell and his drill sergeants urge on helmeted trainees as they whale away at each other with pugil sticks, landing head and body blows until one falls flat on the ground. As a victor slams away at his flattened foe, a drill sergeant whistles the fight to a halt.

"This is the funnest day I've had since I've been here!" said 21-year-old Pvt. Brendon Rhyne, of Rutherford County, N.C., after being beaten to the ground. "It makes you physically tough. Builds you up on the insides mentally, too."

The Marine Corps is also applying war lessons to its physical training, adopting a new combat fitness test that replicates the rigor of combat. The test, which is required once a year, has Marines running sprints, lifting 30-pound ammunition cans over their heads for a couple of minutes and completing a 300-yard obstacle course that includes carrying a mock wounded Marine and throwing a mock grenade.

Capt. Kenny Fleming, a 10-year-Army veteran looking after a group of Fort Jackson trainees, said men and women learn exercises that prepare them to do something on the battlefield such as throw a grenade, or lunge and pick a buddy off the ground. Experience in Iraq has shown that women need the same skills because they come under fire, too, even if they are formally barred from combat roles.

"All their exercises are related to something they will do out in the field," Fleming said, pointing out "back bridge" exercises designed to hone abdominal muscles where soldiers lift hips and one leg off the ground and hold it steady.

"This will help their core muscles, which they could use when they stabilize their body for shooting their weapon, or any kind of lifting, pulling, or something like grabbing a buddy out of a tank hatch," Fleming said.

Fleming said those who had some sort of sports in high school can easily pick up on the training, while those who didn't have to be brought along. One hefty soldier in a recent company he trained dropped 45 pounds and learned to blast out 100 push-ups and 70 sit-ups, he said.

"We just have to take the soldier who's used to sitting on the couch playing video games and get them out there to do it," Fleming said.

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2010, 08:43:03 PM »
 

  I would rather not think of everything involving running and picking up things  movnat

 I can tell you the army ISNOT movnat, when wearing all the gear your body is so constricted. A soldier would be doing these thing in tight fitting heavy combat boots that  are crushing their feet, Not promoting propreception, balance, or arch strength. 
       Of course they do buddy carries, its war and people get shot. I doubt a soldier would throw anything, a buddy, a sandbag.
Climbing, The highest dropout rate for airborne school is due to not being able to complete the required 6 pull ups.  I've seen infantrymen from the 82nd go to special forces selection and not be able to climb a rope.
  Swimming, Soldiers receive NO mandatory swimming classes and 45% of army warriors cannon swim.


 

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2010, 01:15:05 PM »
I put it here because Methode Naturelle was a military training program - especially at first.
It's interesting to me to compare and contrast MN and US military training.

Carry: Gear + any special equipment + buddies...
Throwing: They don't use grenades any more? >:D
Swimming: Hebert had this problem too - 75% of the guys from the interior and 25-30% of the guys from the coast couldn't tread water when he started with them.
 

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2010, 09:02:31 AM »
 Did anyone see this article,

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014

MODERN MAN A WIMP

Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.

These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).

McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.

"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."


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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2010, 12:40:07 PM »


I read about the book last year on Mark Sisson's site. [Same Reuters article].
I thought it was funny. I thought there was an article against the claims, but I don't see it.
If Usain Bolt had to run down his lunch every day for 10 years, I wonder if he'd be faster, or slower?

The guys were doing 37 kph for how long? That's 10.6 meters/sec. Just because I can hit a speed in a short burst doesn't mean I can maintain it. Also... I'm guessing the lake shore was near ideal conditions. If it was slow footing, the guys would have slowed, rather than sped up [or they would have run someplace else.] Still, 1.06 m/s is BOOKING. I wonder how they came up with that number, and how much margin for error there is?

I could jump my height if I was only 4 feet tall :D

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2010, 12:40:37 PM »
All of the talk about past man being way better than us has some merit to it, but we all have to realize that most of this is theory and educated guess work. I remain skeptical of anything I read that isn't backed by physically proven facts. I do think that present man would benefit from more outdoor activity, physically stressful actions and a more survivalist attitude. I even resent the time I spend online sometimes, even after I've just finished a 9 hour primarily physical work day, a 30 minute intense workout and a 2 hour martial arts or parkour session all while trying to eat only lean meats, fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds.

As for my theory... Do I think we are weaker and slower. NO. I think there has always been the elite, the average and the lazy. Since the beginning of man there has been the weak and the strong. It is still like that today and it will always be like that. Unless one of these "scientists" can show me the bone and muscle structure of a 20,000 year old man in his prime and prove a comparison to an elite man of today in his prime, I will remain skeptical.

I think many people look to the past to escape the present. They want to believe that the past was so much "better" when moe often than not, it wasn't. Also, remember that the root word in history is story. Much of what is written and known about the past is not fact. A lot of it is dramatized, glorified and exagerated. Rightfully so, too. Thousands of years from now when they dig us up and find books from our "history" I hope they look at us as super humans that were way more awesome than they are. A great legacy. hahaha.

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Re: MovNat/ Methode Naturelle TALK!!!
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2010, 01:51:25 PM »
Thanks, Blake. I think a lot of history has been romanticized...

On the other hand, if you have to walk around from place to place to get food, etc, you're going to be better at walking than someone who hops into their SUV and drives to McD's. The guy who lifts lumber, etc all day should be better at lifting than a guy who doesn't.

Much of modern life seems to be about avoiding contact with the world except in brief, ultra-intense, usually controlled bursts. Nature is too lumpy, too prickly, too hot, too cold, too dirty... So we smooth out little areas, cover it with grass or concrete, and only venture into wild areas for a few days a year... maybe.