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Why so down on flipping?
« on: May 23, 2006, 05:41:09 PM »
I don't agree with the opinion that flipping is not a part of Parkour.  I thought Parkour was all about "finding your own way" in movement.  Granted, when I try to do flips it's a hospital stay in the making, but when you see Skynative, or Bam from the UFF team do it it's poetry in motion.   
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2006, 05:48:34 PM »
Not getting into this here. thank you
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2006, 05:51:39 PM »
Yeah. It's best you don't bring the subject up (Well... here it's not so bad since most of us are civilized about things) Simply because people take radicals to both sides and it causes unneeded conflict. As a personal opinion you can flip if you like, and call it what you like, and I won't care. I'd rather not argue about it because I'd rather not get depressed on a perfectly good (assumably PK worthy) day.

Expect this topic closed soon for the sole purpose of keeping the peace, however.

EDIT: Typo =P
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2006, 05:54:25 PM »
Please read the links in the top right part of the home APK page (What is parkour?, etc.). I think you need to put a little more research into what parkour is all about before you make bold statements like here. ;)

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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2006, 08:18:42 PM »
Yes, quite simply,

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I thought Parkour was all about "finding your own way" in movement

is not correct. "Finding your own way to move as quickly / effectively as possible" is more like it. Then it becomes pretty clear that a flip would extremely rarely be the best / most effecitve  / quickest way to move in a situation.

The beauty of free running is that it is open to all types of movement as it's not constrained by the one basic premise of effective movement.

Hopefully this is enough to put this to rest:)

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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2006, 10:13:29 PM »
OK.  Parlour/Free running.....I'll take the one with no rules.
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2006, 10:35:33 PM »
anarchy?

Mr. Kerby, don't look at these ideas as rules, but as guidelines. There are no "rules" to fishing, but there are basic guidelines. That is to use certain tools in order to catch fish.

Without defining principles, what would separate Fishing from Archery, or reading from writing, or you from me?

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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2006, 11:31:38 PM »
I think this is more like arguing about how to cast the lure, when the object is catching the fish. But I'm sorry I brought it up, and understand that, like with anything spiritual, parkour, or whatever you want to call what I'm doing, is a personal thing.  Each person gets his own rewards, and has his own reasons for participating. For me it's about the freedom of it, so I view any rules as constraints.
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2006, 01:29:49 AM »
Oh what do we have here...a flipping post...*backs away slowly*
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 02:39:57 AM »
Hahahhaha Bravo Mr. Willis!!!
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 03:46:17 AM »
When i clicked on this thread i thought it was about "Flippin". Like when people turn on the mob and rat them out. I need to stop watcing so much sopranos. :-\


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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 04:32:38 AM »
hahahahahaha



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that's all i have to say :-p
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 06:36:24 AM »
Mr. Willis got an applaud from me on that one! Bravo indeed!
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 08:08:32 AM »
Parkour gives you a "relative" type of freedom wherin nothing can stop you from reaching your destination, fulfilling your purpose, etc.

However, if you want absolute freedom, then nothing with a name can give you that, that's something for you to find on your own.

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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 08:30:13 AM »
I feel that somehow by giving Matthew some more smites it will help the situation hehe ;)
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2006, 09:02:13 AM »
Geez, it's like I mentioned "He who cannot be named" or something.  I'd just like to point out that in Asa's animated logo there is a gainer, and a front flip....and I'm still in awe of Skynative.
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2006, 09:22:52 AM »
A friend of mine designed that animation, and I liked it very much, regardless of the fact that there are flips in it. Flips are fun, challenging and definately impressive. This doesn't make them Parkour.

Skynative is amazing!

It is possible, and probable, that everyone who does Parkour has other interests as well.

I for instance, enjoy dancing. Because I am a traceur, and I dance, does this make dancing Parkour?


Also I suggest you go to the "Movements" section and read "techniques in parkour" where you will find that there is no single movement that is Parkour by itself.

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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2006, 11:56:20 AM »
W3rd. I personally dont have a problem with people doing flips and all that, I dont think it can be called Parkour, simply because the whole thing in parkour is navigating obstacles fluidly, effectively, and using the least amount of energy possible. I mean, If you're in a tall building and a missile just hit the top, debris, shrapnel, fire, and roof threaten to collapse on your head, oh and there's a moderate sized group of mercenary coming up the steps for you. Do you seriously think that's the best time to be attempting a flip to get away? Maybe you do, Ive never been in that situation but I dont think a flip will ever be relative to anything but old fashioned liberating fun.
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2006, 12:09:18 PM »
yep!! you've got it Mr.V  ;D
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Re: Why so down on flipping?
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2006, 01:33:32 PM »
Parkour is, above all else, about efficiency of movement.  Freerunning is about freedom of movement.  L'art du deplacement is about moving through the environment in ways not before conceived.
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