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INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« on: November 08, 2008, 02:39:11 AM »
**I realize this is long but if you take the time to read it I would really appreciate it.**

About 7 hours ago I possibly had the most infuriating and humiliating experience that I have ever had.

Some background info.  I am 18 years old.  I have stayed out of trouble my whole life.  I have never been drunk or done any drugs.  I've never been in a serious fight and yeah, my friends from high school considered me pretty innocent.  I was going to go to cal state long beach but at the last minute decided to go to a community college for 2 years so that I could do what I really wanted - study film at UCLA.  SO now I got to a CC.  I am an exemplary student with a huge course load (not to brag but compared to most of the people here its true).  In addition I work there as a student ambassador and represent the school at college fairs and high schools.  So, you get the basic idea.

Anyways, today my class had just gotten out and my friend and I were practicing some tacs.  It was about 5:00 pm.  We were being safe, respectful and keeping it ground level.  Since it is/was a friday there were not many people around.  My friend decided to try a wallrun on an 11 foot wall.  He couldn't do it but I did it and then walked down the side of it which slanted diagonally down so that I was only about 6 feet up when I dropped down.  My friend then successfully got up the wall just as a teacher drove past us.  It was not a road but teachers are allowed to park there apparently.  He drove by slow and my friend was already down by his point.  We began doing pushups to emphasize we were exercising and not doing anything wrong.  He parked down farther and disappeared around the corner. 

Three minutes later a huge police SUV appears.  Our school has its own police station with full time officers and like 5 of these huge SUVs with ramming bumpers and spotlights.  Totally overboard.  So anyways this thing appears out of nowhere and is traveling at around 30-40 mph.  It bounces up onto the walkway we are on and literally got like 5 feet of air.  It was driving in an area with halls running perpendicular to its path and if anyone had walked out they would have been killed.  So this thing screeches to a hault.  And an officer jumps out.  Now keep in mind that we had not been doing parkour for the past couple of minutes and were preparing to leave.  I had just pulled on my messenger bag.  The officer is about 30 feet away and immediately goes into Jack Bauer mode.  This guy yells "Drop the bag!  Drop the bag sir"  by now my hands were already in the air and my bag was on the ground.  "Slowly step away from the bag.  Now step away from each other.  STOP!  Stay still!"  Now Mr. Bauer cautiously advances towards us.  He gets behind my friend Colin, and grabs his hands and cuffs him.  I am thinking WTF?  He tells my friend to go sit in the grass. 

Next Mr. Bauer cuffs me.  I try to ask him what is going on and he tells me to shut up and go sit next to Colin.  Wow.  I can not believe this.  Then he calls colin over and pats him down.  He takes everything out of his pockets etc.  Then It was my turn.  "Spread your legs.  I SAID SPREAD YOUR LEGS!"  What the F@CK?  Apparently this guy wanted me to do the splits.  I go sit down and he tells us that a witness called (the teacher) because they saw us climbing over a wall of a gated area (on the other side were electrical boxes and pipes.  We never crossed over onto this side however).  He said that we were trespassing.  I asked him how we were trespassing if I just had a class 30 minutes ago.  He said we could not hang around and that we had no business at the school after our classes get out.  I try to explain to him that we were practicing a physical discipline and just exercising etc.  He cut me off and said he didn't care... that we needed to find somewhere else.  Now That would have been fine with me.  He could have just said that without the theatrics and we would have left.  Heck if the teacher had asked we would have left.  This was completely without warning though. 

Every time he asked a question or any time we talked at all for that matter, he assumed we were lying.  He treated me like scum.  He asked me like 7 times if I was sure I didn't have a weapon.  He went back and forth from us to his tactical ramming tank to converse with the station, check our ID's etc.  I don't have a drivers license and all I had was a school ID.  He came over to me with a pad and made me tell him all of my info (address etc.).  He spent a whole minute telling me what would happen to me if I lied in any way because he would find out.  Wow this was crazy.  It pissed me off that he just assumed I was a lying piece of shit and treated me like one.  How did I get into this situation again?  Oh yeah, I was on a wall for 5 seconds.  And then I was handcuffed and on the ground by this moron.  The whole process took almost an hour.  The whole time we were handcuffed.  My friend says the cop put them on wrong and he knows a lot about that stuff so it is certainly a possibility. 

This guy was like a master at not communicating.  It had been like 30 minutes and he had probably only said about 15 sentences to us.  He had still not explained what was going on.  I asked him if I could please explain to him what we were doing.  He said "Ok I will give you a chance."  Well I was pretty stunned and kinda choked up so this was probably my worst explanation of parkour ever.  Especially because he just kept cutting me off.  He said he didn't care about our intentions and that we were trespassing.  He said it was about liabilities etc.  Yeah I've heard that one before.  But never while in handcuffs.  I'll teach this cop a thing or two about liabilities by he time this is through.  Oh and he also went over to my book bag and threw everything out of it.  I watched with glee as he looked through all my honors books and ruined my notes.  Obviously he was not finding what he was looking for.  He also almost broke my cell phone and sunglasses. 

Then he went into what could be done to us.  He used his mean Jack Bauer voice and told us that for trespassing he could issue us a suspension form which would mean we could not be seen on campus grounds for 2 weeks.  If we were seen on campus during that period then we would be arrested and sent to jail.  He went back to his tank for a while probably to let us wallow in our fear and then returned.  He told us that he was not going to fill out the form yet but that if he caught us on campus for any reason in the next couple of weeks and we didn't have business to do there, he would suspend/ban us.  I could not believe it.  I was just appalled.  I could not seem to speak my mind.  I wanted to say something like "Why are you treating us like this?  We were on a wall for 5 seconds this is way out of proportion.  We aren't criminals, we didn't break anything!  Who do you think I am?  You can't make those assumptions!  I am probably the most straight edge, ambitious kid at this pathetic school and you treat me like this?  Of course that would have been stupid and disrespectful.  Keep in mind we were completely respectful the whole time.  I still wanted to ask him why he was making such a huge deal though but I couldn't put my thoughts into words and he immediately interrupted me saying that if I was going to argue (and I had not even said anything) that he could fill out the forms right then.  So I kept my mouth shut.  I literally could not speak though.  My throat was all swollen.  I am not normally a sensitive guy at all.  This was just so foreign to me though.  So anyways, he went through a complex uncuffing procedure and had us slowly move this hand this way and blah blah blah.  Even after he uncuffed us he made us keep our hands on our heads until he was about 20 feet from us.  He then got into his tank and escorted us off of school grounds.  Is it just me or was this guy way out of line?  I mean jeez, this guy could have ruined my whole future!  I need to get into a good college and that could have been jeopardized over a wallrun.

Points to keep in mind:

Cop didn't have a warrant or anything to search my bag.

He pulled up at 35 mph

He thinks he is Jack Bauer

He was RUDE and treated us as though we were going to break out of the handcuffs, pull a gun out of nowhere, and try to shoot him.  He acted this way the entire time despite the fact that we were compliant and respectful the entire time.  We did everything he asked.  In addition, I have no criminal record. 

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Thanks a ton for reading.  Is it just me or was this guy way out of line?  I am used to cops who are much more mellow and receptive to the idea of parkour. 

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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 05:49:14 AM »
I feel for ya' man.  Seriously.  This behavior is certainly not befitting of police.  Who's goal is to serve and protect people.

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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 06:28:13 AM »
I'm sorry you had to go through that, brother. My sincere thanks for holding your maturity and not lashing out. I wish more people handled those situations more humbly. That cop will get what's coming to him eventually. In fact, you could probably head to the station and report the situation, since he was very dangerous and reckless in his behavior. But that's up to you. I wouldn't feel like looking at another police car for the rest of my life after going through that.

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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 07:31:12 AM »
you should go report this, that cop was way out of line. i'm sorry for you dude.
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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 07:35:13 AM »
sorry to hear about that. That was pretty bad of a police officer, but at least you didn't get into serious trouble.
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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 07:43:03 AM »
yeah dude, that was just wrong of the cop, he could have handled it alot better...
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 07:47:32 AM »
I agree with Adam. You handled the situation great, and I feel for you. People seem to get wound up if you are anywhere near somewhere that says no trespassing or anything of the sort. I hope you get this straightened out, or at least don't get in to trouble with the same guy over nothing.
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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 07:55:36 AM »
Hey bro, I had an experience that parallels yours. Except instead of one officer, the whole town police force showed up.

I was out with my club and we were practicing tic tacs at this parking garage. An officer drove by but we weren't doing anything wrong so we kept at it. He came back about a minute later with these huge lights and a speakerphone telling everyone to stop. Eventually 5 more police cars showed up, they kept telling us that we shouldn't be drunk, we shouldn't be trying to hurt ourselves or imitate Jackass, that it wasn't funny. I tried to calm the officers down and tell them what we were doing but they thought we were just reckless teenagers jumping off stuff. They then lined us up, made us take out our ids, individually checked us each, pat downs and all. AFter about an hour, they told us that we were trespassing (in a public garage?) and that we would get a minimum of 1 year in jail, plus fines and charges, and we can never come back to this spot.

I was pretty calm the whole time but mannnnn I felt sorry for the rest of the people in my group who had only been practicing for under a year. They were completely scared and freaked out.

The story ended with us leaving, the cops never called any of us, the parking garage owner was never notified that we were there (we apologized but he said it was cool, he enjoyed watching us and invited us back!!), and cops were just labeled as jerks =(

It sucked because I've bumped into the police at my town enough to be on a name-basis with them, they think what we do is pretty cool as long as we keep safe and don't destroy anything. NONE of those cops showed up that night... ahh well..... so don't worry too much about it and don't let it affect your training. Just try to befriend the cops before anything happens! I usually call them ahead of time letting them know where we are jamming and they're fine with it. Eventually I didn't have to call anymore cause they knew who we were, and now the club here can pretty much go around wherever and be fine  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 08:12:06 AM »
You should have asked for his badge number.  He's not allowed to decline.  At that point, you report him because what he did as ILLEGAL and would have gotten him fired.  Unwarranted search and seizure is not cool.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 08:28:05 AM »
+1 to you for handling that so well.  And Animus is right, you could've gotten him fired at least twice over all that stuff.  You probably still can, as a matter of fact.  I would report him if I were you.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 08:39:06 AM »
Kudos to you fro handling that situation so well. The cop was completely in the wrong, there...
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 09:39:37 AM »
You should have asked for his badge number.  He's not allowed to decline.  At that point, you report him because what he did as ILLEGAL and would have gotten him fired.  Unwarranted search and seizure is not cool.

Definately, you don't have to take crap from a police officer, well  until they are gone you do, but it is perfectly legal to ask for his badge number and report him for mistreatment of a suspect and unwarrantes searches. I would report him because you said he broke your stuff on the search which is just a d!ck move...

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2008, 09:50:11 AM »
Yes, I also agree with Animus. Since when were people not allowed to just exercise? Unwarranted searching is not legal. Do you think you can still find and sue him?
Although I never had this type of experience with Policemen, I can understand that some of them are jerks. Some do not understand the law and think they can do whatever they want to abuse the common people.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2008, 10:05:34 AM »
man listen, a cop is just a person with a different job. they are not some special being you have to take shit from. im glad you stayed calm, dont give the crazy man a reason to shoot you. just remember to get his name, badge number, time and date, and cruiser number ( bauer "the president is in danger!" tank license plate ). the minute he takes the handcuffs off and says you are free to go, call your parents, lawyer, campus safety office, basically anyone who will help. that was wrong of him and you can still report it if you want to. i would recomend that you do, don't think you want that to happen again to some one.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2008, 11:41:27 AM »
Good job staying cool. About a year ago 2 friends and I were strolling down my street at night (last night hanging out before going to college out of state) and had the cops pull up with lights and all saying someone (one of my neighbors) called us in saying we were planning to break into a house (???). We were all the same as you, never done anything wrong in our lives, so watching the cops treat us like sh!t was kind of interesting. They get really confused when they realize we aren't lying about our names and addresses. I guess cops just assume the worst for 16-21 year old guys =/

My suggestion to anyone else who gets this attitude from a cop and knows they have done nothing wrong: don't run your mouth off, answer questions honestly, be polite (even when they are not), and do whatever they say. That way, if they end up doing something out of line, they can't come back and say you did too.

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Re: INFURIATING AND HUMILIATING EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2008, 01:08:45 PM »
Asking for his badge number is not a good idea - it makes you sound very naive - like having his badge number will get him in trouble. I would have asked him to write the report, then disputed the report, you had witnesses, you know you didn't do anything wrong. Without the report you can certainly go to the police station and ask who responded to the call (they should have a log) and ask for the supervising officer, and explain the situation - ONLY if the supervising officer seems sympathizing. Unfortunately, fighting with the police is not an easy situation or one you have much chance of winning, even if one did something wrong (which this guy clearly did) police are not very into hanging each other out to dry. However, this guy (for all you know) could have 5 complaints against him and his supervisors are just literally waiting for more complaints so they can fire him, you never know. I would ask for the report of the incident, and when they say they dont' have one, ask if it is standard procedure to cuff students and search their stuff - again, this will give you the indicator of whether the supervisor is sympathetic and you should carry out with an official complaint.

The other thing to remeber of course is this: The professor driving by doesn't know your intentions, and probably called and said "someone is breaking into this area" - of course starting to do push-ups would be a convenient cover-up for someone who DID have malicious intentions - so the cop has to make some assumptions based on the info he has - from there he needs to be open minded, but also has to take his safety and the safety of others first, and if all his info says you were scaling the wall (an action which for most of the world isn't rational) then you need to understand things from his viewpoint as well - he doesn't know if you are an honor student or a 3 X convicted rapist and assaulter. Criminals don't come with signs on them, they are ordinary looking people that do bad things.

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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2008, 01:26:54 PM »
yet wouldnt a person trying to break in run once they heard the cops, logically they would not stay, and i think the last thing a person trying to steal something would be doing is push-ups, not that i would know, but push-ups? doesnt seem to high on the "how to look inecent/get away from the cops" kinda thing

though i could be completly wrong

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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2008, 01:33:23 PM »
+2 to you for staying cool man, hope everything turns out okay
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 02:38:36 PM »
Do whatever the cop wants you to, then report him later if he gets out of line like he did here. Also, if you're not doing anything wrong in the first place, don't try to look innocent, it will just make you look more guilty. Either just stop and leave, or continue doing what you were doing without alteration. And I don't think you need to be told this, but NEVER RUN. My friends who skateboard always run... which is a good way to get arrested, as opposed to just telling the officer what was going on and that you didn't know what you were doing anything wrong.

And I don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but have a word with the teacher. Explain parkour to him/her, and tell him about what the cop did.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2008, 02:41:11 PM »
Wow, it wasnt me and I was irritated.

Props for handling the situation maturely.
Is there a chance you can talk to the School director about what it is you guys were doing? If so, I would, make sure he knows who you are and all your honors and stuff. You are a student they wanna keep. Then depending of how he takes the fact that you were doing PK (after you explain what it is) communicate to him what happened. If this police is to protect the school he should be able to do something about it.

That sucks though, I hope it doesnt make you label other cops in the future.
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